Top college SAT scores dropping in 2008 US News Rankings?

<p>Can anyone explain the SAT percentile data in 2008 US News Rankings?</p>

<p>I have noticed the following changes in SAT percentile:</p>

<li>For most top universities, except Harvard, Princeton and Yale, the SAT 75th percentile has shifted 10-20 points lower than 2007</li>
<li>Even for HPY the SAT 25th percentile has shifted 10 points lower.</li>
<li>For all top LAS, the 25th percentile and 75th percentile have shifted 10-20 points lower than 2007</li>
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<p>I don’t believe the average sat scores drop 10-20 points in general student population. Anyone with statistics background has any explanations?</p>

<p>I'm no statistician, but percentile numbers dropping could suggest a couple things;
1) colleges don't care as much about SAT scores as they did before</p>

<p>2) another possible reason; colleges take other factors into consideration more than SATs now (like EC's, essays, recs, and grades), as the applicant pool grows larger (and assumingly, more students with 2400s and near perfect scores apply more, requiring them to narrow it down further than just test scores). </p>

<p>3) Average SAT scores ARE actually dropping, says many news articles (just google average SAT scores dropping, and you'll see numerous articles about it). The most likely reason is due to the new SAT with the extra writing section. Here's an excerpt from one such article:
"Some colleges are reporting double-digit drops in the average SAT scores of applicants this year, even as other credentials, such as class rank and college-prep coursework, remained similar to or grew stronger than last year's.
Among schools reporting large drops: The nine-campus University of California system, which saw a 15-point drop on average among applicants, Average composite scores for the ACT, a rival college entrance exam, were unchanged from last year.</p>

<p>It's not yet clear what the drops mean, but colleges are particularly curious because the scores are almost completely based on the new SAT, introduced last year by the non-profit College Board, which owns the test."</p>

<p>Some Reasons for why average SAT scores have dropped:
-new test is longer, fatigue; 3hrs 45 minutes instead of 3 hrs.
-new test includes writing section
-people retake test less (due to increase in costs/time) (retaking test improves score 30 points on average)</p>

<p>Another article says: "The drop in average SAT scores is a statistical fluke. Thirty years ago, advantaged and over-achieving white students formed a disproportionate share of all those taking the test. Today, a growing share of minority and lower class whites are taking the test also, and they tend to score lower than advantaged whites. However, the scores of minorities have been rising over the last few decades, even faster than whites. Thus, everyone's scores are generally rising, even though the average is dropping." </p>

<p>Hope this helps!</p>

<p>Remember that the "2008" USNWR rankings use the data from the graduating class of 2006.</p>

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<li>Holistic approaches to admission.</li>
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<p>Was the graduating class of '06 the first to be tested with the new SAT?</p>

<p><a href="http://www.collegeboard.com/press/releases/150054.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.collegeboard.com/press/releases/150054.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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For the class of 2006, overall combined scores for mathematics and critical reading dropped by seven points from last year, which represents less than 1 percentage point.

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<p>I assume the drop became more acute at the top end of the spectrum.</p>

<p>"Was the graduating class of '06 the first to be tested with the new SAT?"</p>

<p>Yep.</p>

<p>average sat score dropped for the class of 2007.</p>

<p>It could be that either top colleges are getting too expensive to go to, or that lower ranked schools are narrowing the gap in terms or recruiting top students.</p>

<p>if the average SAT score dropped for the class of 2007, and HPY's stayed the same, then the difference in scores with the other colleges will be more noticeable.</p>

<p>In this set of data (High School Class of 06), the majority of the students took the new SAT, which is a little tougher at the very top end (750+). One could also venture a guess that with three sections to focus on, students were spread a little thinner with prep.</p>

<p>because they are no longer top schools. 10-20 points mean A LOT.</p>

<p>^ That's what AA is. </p>

<p>Just kidding. Kind of.</p>

<p>It was the first class to have the new SAT. It added some trig to math, changed the reading comprehension section by adding some somewhat more difficult passages and taking away the word analogies which favored test takers who spent time memorizing words, and added the writing section making the whole exam extremely long and leading to some errors due to fatigue. Students did not really get any worse. All you are seeing is just the effects of a test change and the beginning of the new "norm" for that new test.</p>

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For most top universities ... the SAT 75th percentile has shifted 10-20 points lower than 2007

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<p>What is happening in the next tier? If as Mr. Payne suggests the decline is the result of a holistic admissions approach, rather than declining scores, we should see an increase somewhere.</p>

<p>it's the great dumbing-down, folks.</p>

<p>Students are dumber.</p>

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1. For most top universities, except Harvard, Princeton and Yale, the SAT 75th percentile has shifted 10-20 points lower than 2007

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<p>NOTE: Duke, Dartmouth & Columbia all have the same 75th percentile... Penn actually went up a little bit and Brown went down (haha.. rhyme).</p>

<p>Chicago has the same 75th percentile.. the decrease is really in the 25th percentile for many of these schools...</p>

<p>There was a small drop in SAT scores with the new SAT, mostly attributable to students not retaking the longer test as many times. The drop was nowhere near the order of 10-20 pts, and intuitively, you'd think that the fewer retake phenomenon would be less of a factor at the most selective colleges. I'm not sure that the new SAT explains all or even much of the change. </p>

<p><a href="http://www.collegeboard.com/press/releases/150054.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.collegeboard.com/press/releases/150054.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Princeton, purportedly, has the most "holistic" admissions standards of all the Ivies and yet, it hasn't seen a drop...</p>