<p>I've been looking into the Ivy Leagues, as well as other nationally recognized colleges like WUSTL, UChicago, Duke, etc. I also know that I want to pursue a career in medicine in the future, and I'd like to go the pre-med route if possible (accelerated medical or BS/MD programs) or just regular undergrad at a place that's well-known for medicine. Which of the Ivy Leagues/other top colleges is best for medicine/pre-med?</p>
<p>Some really good accelerated medical programs.</p>
<p>Brown PLME
Northwestern HPME
Rice/Baylor MSP</p>
<p>Those three programs have very reasonable conditions for their accelerated programs students. Generally speaking, a 3.4 GPA with no MCAT required is all it takes to fullfil program requirements in good standing.</p>
<p>There are others too, but they usually come with steeper requirements. Pitt and WUSTL require that their students graduate from college with a 3.8 GPA. WUSTL also requires 12 on the MCAT.</p>
<p>Some universities known for excellent premed track records:</p>
<p>Brown University
Case Western Reserve University
Columbia University
Cornell University
Dartmouth College
Duke University
Emory University
Georgetown University
Harvard University
Indiana University-Bloomington
Johns Hopkins University
Kenyon College
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Northwestern University
Princeton University
Rice University
Stanford University
University of Arizona
University of California-Berkeley
University of California-Davis
University of California-Los Angeles
University of California-San Diego
University of Chicago
University of Florida
University of Georgia
University of Illinois-Urbana Champaign
University of Michigan-Ann Arbor
University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill
University of Notre Dame
University of Pennsylvania
University of Texas-Austin
University of Virginia
University of Wisconsin-Madison
Vanderbilt University
Washington University-St Louis
Williams College
Yale University</p>
<p>Start here:</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/pre-med-topics/1486654-premed-resources-thread-start-here-first.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/pre-med-topics/1486654-premed-resources-thread-start-here-first.html</a></p>
<p>There is no “best choice” for pre-meds. There are pros and cons of many places and oodles of options. Many of these have been compiled for students (like you - or my guy who ended up at U Rochester) to give them a bit to think about. Diversify your apps, then see what appeals to you when you have options.</p>
<p>What is the objective evidence that any of the colleges mentioned here have better premed programs (or admission outcomes) than colleges not listed? For example, for a given set of stats (GPA and MCAT scores), are their admit rates to specific med schools (or to med school in general) any higher than other colleges’ admit rates? </p>
<p>Here is a site where you can explore the self-reported qualifications and outcomes of applicants to many med schools:
[url=<a href=“http://www.mdapplicants.com/index.php]MDapplicants.com[/url”>http://www.mdapplicants.com/index.php]MDapplicants.com[/url</a>]</p>
<p>You can call up profiles of all reporting students admitted to, say, Duke medical school. You’ll find that many undergraduate schools are represented (including Ivies, big state universities, and LACs). Unfortunately, there does not seem to be any way to show comparative admit rates for various combinations of schools and stats.</p>
<p>The best pre-med college is the one that’ll allow you to perform the best academically! Go to MIT and get a C in Organic and you are out of the race! Go to St. John’s Univ and get a B+ you can gain admission. Good GPA and solid MCAT scores are the best premed " school"! I do not know why the posters are listing these pressure cooker schools as if they will somehow prepare you better for medical school or allow you to gain entrance at a much higher rate! Yes it’s true an equal GPA from a top school may have a slight advantage however if the MCAT scores are solid the student will gain admission to virtually the same medical school whether from MIT undergrad, a flagship state school, or a top 200 university. That’s been shown time and time again, year after year.</p>
<p>The best pre-med college is the one that’ll allow you to perform the best academically! Go to MIT and get a C in Organic and you are out of the race! Go to St. John’s Univ and get a B+ you can gain admission. Good GPA and solid MCAT scores are the best premed " school"! I do not know why the posters are listing these pressure cooker schools as if they will somehow prepare you better for medical school or allow you to gain entrance at a much higher rate! Yes it’s true an equal GPA from a top school may have a slight advantage however if the MCAT scores are solid the student will gain admission to virtually the same medical school whether from MIT undergrad, a flagship state school, or a top 200 university. That’s been shown time and time again, year after year.</p>
<p>This is very true. I’ve spent a lot of time during the last 2 years looking over posts on that “other” premed website. Without a stellar GPA, your hopes can be sunk. </p>
<p>I would only go to a top school for undergrad if I had a very strong math and science foundation, and my test scores were well-within the upper quartiles. Time and time again I would see posts from kids who were lucky to get into an elite school (stats in the middle quartiles) and they don’t end up with med-school-ready GPAs because their classmates are stronger than they are. </p>
<p>Nearly all colleges treat the pre-med pre-reqs as “weeder courses.” They limit the number of As awarded. Doing this serves two functions: It weeds out the weaker premed students, and it weeds out the weeker STEM students. </p>
<p>Having just gone thru the med school app process with my younger son, high GPA, strong MCAT, good ECs, good LORs, and a good personality are what gets you in.</p>
<p>First you have to snag an interview…and med schools only interview about 10% of their applicants, so first your stats have to look good on paper (the LizzyM method works well as long as you take into acct that OOS publics are unlikelies). </p>
<p>If you’re lucky to get interviewed, then you have to “shine” because the interview weighs a LOT. SOMs want “people persons”. they want to weed out those who seem to only want to be doctors because of the money or parent-pressure/expectations. </p>
<p>Many interviews are “stats blind” which means that the interviewers do NOT know your stats or anything. The fact that you’re being interviewed means that the school has already determined that you’re stats-qualified. The interview is to determine if you’re a good fit for the school and for the medical profession. It’s also known as the “crazy test.” lol</p>
<p>While my son took a risky route, (he only completed 6 applications (ugh! lol), he did get 3 interviews and got accepted to all 3, including his top pick. I don’t recommend that anyone follow his example! :/</p>
<p>Keep in mind that about half of all med school applicants don’t get any US MD acceptances. A successful app process means that you’ve gotten ONE US MD acceptance. That’s how hard the process is.</p>
<p>I am not the caliber student who can get into these schools. Of any of the following, do you know if they have good pre-med programs?</p>
<p>St Louis University
Marquette University
Ohio State University
Xavier University</p>
<p>^^^
You need to start your own thread. In it, include your GPA, your test scores (include SAT breakdown), and your budget for how much your family will pay.</p>
<p>Then we can help you with YOUR situation.</p>
<p>^^ See if they offer at least the following courses:
General Chemistry with lab: 2 semesters
Organic Chemistry with lab: 2 semesters
General Physics with lab: 2 semesters
General Biology with lab: 2 semesters
English: 2 semesters
Calculus: 1 semester</p>
<p>That’s about all there is to a “pre-med program” (other than some information-sharing and counseling). The rest is pretty much up to you (your GPA, your test scores, your ECs, and how you present yourself in an admission interview.) As long as you take those courses, you can major in virtually anything (math, biology … or art history).</p>
<p>It really does not even make much sense to ask, “Which top colleges are best for pre-med?” From year to year at any school, different professors may be teaching General Biology. Different pre-med students will be taking different English courses. Many pre-med students will place out of Calculus altogether. So it’s not as if there is a single Kenyon College pre-med experience that can be compared with a single Brown University or Georgia Tech pre-med experience.</p>
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<p>Any of those schools (and countless others) can get kids into med school. It all depends upon how well YOU do as a student.</p>
<p>I’ll agree with mom2collegekids that you want to pick a school where you are going in with upper quartile stats. This guarantees nothing, but it does say you are as strong as the other students who are likely to be there with you. Then you need to do the work to get the GPA and MCAT scores while enjoying yourself in extra-curriculars.</p>