<p>@phuriku OK, so you’re not an English or philosophy major! LOL!</p>
<p>One thing I completely agree with you is that you can definitely construct a ranking to get whatever results you want. Trust me, I’ve seen enough rankings and know enough about these schools that you could make any look as good or bad as you wanted depending on what characteristics you emphasize. And the public eats it up. </p>
<p>But, yes, I’m glad U.S. News is getting more attention at this point.</p>
<p>But you know really UChicago does not do badly in these overall. All three world university rankings rank UChicago in the top 9 overall–and by the time you subtract out the British Universities, UChicago is usually in the top 4 or 5 in the U.S.</p>
<p>I say again–the rankings are all a big game–and all the universities are becoming more sophisticated at trying to game the system. But the ones who are gaming the system most of all are the ones who make up the arbitrary rankings to prove their own preconceived notions–or to make their own alma maters looks good. As do we all :)</p>
<p>If you are not actually from Asia, please don’t make this kind of statement. I am an international student from India, and UChicago is a big deal there. </p>
<p>I also want to add that, in terms of foreign name recognition, UChicago easily beats the vast majority of Ivies.</p>
<p>“For instance, among general population in Asia, UCLA and Berkeley are much better known (high reputation). They hardly know about Columbia and U Chicago.”</p>
<p>???</p>
<p>UChicago is a REALLY big deal in Asian communities.</p>
<p>You can usually tell when someone has no idea what they’re talking about when they say that Chicago doesn’t have a big reputation in Asia (and I’ve seen a surprisingly high amount of people say that). Chicago’s reputation in Asia is better than its reputation anywhere else in the world, including the US.</p>
<p>“these are international rankings which may not reflect the true sentiment here in the US. either way, UC is way overrated.”</p>
<p>I don’t think so, but I’d much rather have Chicago be overrated than underrated. The University’s been EXTREMELY underrated for the greater part of the century. To finally see it being so highly evaluated is nice, even if some people think it’s overrated.</p>
<p>I am from Asia, and I concur with science fiction’s assessment. General population of college minded people (students and parents alike) have heard about UCLA and Berkeley - they hear about them all the time. They don’t know much about U Chicago or Columbia. However,the more uppity professional and academic people think highly of U Chicago and Columbia over UCLA and Berkeley. Even so, a friend of mine, who is a faculty at a very well known national university there gave me a blank face when I told her that my son goes to U Chicago. (she is a Sorbone PH.D. It figures). I had to explain “you know, the school that have most Nobel Prize winners…”</p>
<p>I am talking about far east Asia. I have family members there and I also have extensive professional network in several countries.</p>
<p>Look, I love U chicago very much, and it’s the best $55K a year I could ever spend for my son to be there. But, all this bragging game is getting really silly.</p>
<p>^^ It’s pretty obvious that Berkeley and UCLA are going to dominate the popular mindset. Frankly, it wouldn’t surprise me if those schools were more well known than say, Princeton.</p>
<p>But I thought we were talking about halfway-educated people here. The only people who really matter for your own prospects are those who will make determinations of your employment or serve as a future connection. I would say that among the pretty well-educated population in East Asia, Chicago beats UCLA quite handily (not sure about Berkeley). </p>
<p>At least from what I’ve seen as a government worker in Japan, people think UCLA is prestigious simply because “[Big City] University” must be prestigious. (At least, that’s how it works hereabouts, where public institutions are the most prestigious.) However, they usually haven’t heard of UCLA otherwise. For Chicago, a much greater percentage of educated people know about it. Most of the time, I’ll get “Ah! Booth.”, and many will ask “Isn’t that an Ivy League?”</p>
<p>were you born and raised in Asia? I was. I have extend family members all over the place. I have colleagues from Asia. My nephew is shopping for a college in USA. I am actually VERY MUCH enamored with U Chicago,and I have been pushing hard for U Chicago. He and his cohorts were not aware of the sterling opportunities available at U Chicago to the same degree that they heard all about the Ivy schools and a couple of public schools like UCLA and Berkeley. U Michigan, No. UVA, no. But somehow, UCLA and Berkely are well known, while other public schools are lagging behind. </p>
<p>The name recognition of U Chicago lags behind U Chicago’s true excellence both domestically and internationally. Yes, well known and admired among educated class,but even there still lags behind what it should be given the outstanding institution it truly is. But that’s OK. No need to be so defensive.</p>
<p>I believe hyeonjlee was voicing the same opinion, and she is a die hard U Chicago fan, and she is also from Asia. Why are you people so hell bent to prove those of us who were actually born and raised there while most people on this board are NOT.</p>
<p>We get it. We love U Chicago, but I don’t like this one sided cheer leader attitude that drowns other people opinions, especially those of us from Asia who are sharing our own direct observations.</p>
<p>This is getting really silly. I will quit now.</p>
<p>There’s not much to say here. These are all great schools, and maybe a couple on the list are surprising, but again, there isn’t much to see here.</p>
<p>In the past, Phuriku has claimed that UChicago should be a “HYPS” level school in 5 years or so. I still highly doubt this will happen, but maybe UChicago will rise in this ranking too. Who knows? These all look like great schools to me.</p>
<p>It might have to do with the fact that in California there is a very high Asian demographic compared to other U.S. states, which may be one of the main reasons Berkeley and UCLA are well heard of in Asia.</p>
<p>Dr. Chang-Lin Tien, Chinese American, seventh Chancellor of the University of California, Berkeley (1990–1997);
Steven Chu, Nobel Laureate, Chinese American, the current United States Secretary of Energy. He was also a professor at the University of California, Berkeley and the director of the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory.
That is why UC Berkeley should be very popular in China and Asia. </p>
<p>This is the sort of shallow tabloid journalism you expect from England. Maybe they just hacked into the voicemail of 18,000 people to determine the rankings. Few major problems:</p>
<p>1) As much as I dislike U.S. News, at least they are upfront about their methodology. As ridiculous as it might be, if they survey high school guidance counselors, they tell you they surveyed high school guidance counselors. If they surveyed college presidents or admissions deans, they tell you. The Times survey just says it surveyed people chosen at random with some sort of geographic concern.</p>
<p>2) This is an apples to oranges comparison. If you want an apples to apples comparison, subtract the engineering rankings, which skew the rankings in favor of schools that have those programs and against those who don’t.</p>
<p>3) An anti-intellectual ranking which assumes the arts and humanities are of little importance compared with engineering and science. But then America is an anti-intellectual society that assumes that if you can’t make a buck with it, it can’t be worth anything.</p>
<p>4) An unusually high, skewed ranking for some Japanese universities. No university outside of North America or England has ever made the top 20 list in other world university rankings in recent times.:</p>
<p>The good news: From a practical point of view, this survey doesn’t mean much since U.S. News has the lock on the American market. U.S.News was smart to adopt a pseudo-scientific, transparent methodology that gives it the appearance of greater plausibility.</p>
<p>My advice: Learn to think for yourself and don’t just eat up everything the news media hands you. There are many ranking based on many criteria. Consider them all and decided for yourself what seems reasonable.</p>
<p>Way to belittle others. I was born and raised in India.</p>
<p>Yuan T. Lee, Yoichiro Nambu, Daniel C. Tsui, Chen Ning Yang, Tsung-Dao Lee are all affiliated with the University. I cannot understand why people just won’t admit that UChicago is prestigious abroad, especially in Asia. If you cannot even see that, you really do not understand the prestige this University enjoys internationally. If you cannot see that, you definitely, unequivocally are not painting an accurate picture of the true reputation of this honorable institution. Period. It’s as simple as that.</p>
<p>Divine Comedy… what I like about this cite is that people are very rational and even handed. That speaks a volume about U Chicago’s culture.</p>
<p>My son is a third year, and he just loves, loves, and loves U Chicago. And, I am an extremely satisfied parent. That said, I am also aware that U Chicago does lag in “perceived prestige” both domestically and internationally. Science Fiction did NOT misquote me. I agree with his/her assessment. And based on what I read so far, s/he is also very much in favor of U chicago and thinks of it very highly - as evidenced by his/her recommendation of the school to his/her nephew. So, neither s/he nor I am trying to besmirch UChicago. We are just tempering down what we consider to be overblown chest thumping.</p>
<p>So you think Chicago is golden all over internationally, especially in Asia. And, I and another poster who were born and raised in Asia and still have tons of personal and professional connections there have a different assessment. So we disagree with you. But that’s OK. People have different opinions. No need to use such dismissive expressions about those who disagree with you, especially when they are equally qualified to voice their observations.</p>
<p>When people are so defensive and totally dismissive of other people’s opinions because they are so thinned skinned about their school, it’s not attractive. If anything, it actually paints a very unappealing picture for the school. It really sounds like an inferior complex. I can’t imagine Harvard kids being so defensive and thin skinned. Be respectful of other people’s perception. We are JUST AS qualified to hold those opinions. You are NOT the only one with the international connections.</p>
<p>I want to make something clear. I was not the person who wrote some generalized, anecdotal comments and then walked away. I was also not the first one who came back, taking swipes at those who were not of Asian-origin, mockingly dismissed all of the others who disagreed. I was already not in a good mood after reading s.f.'s response, and I don’t think I did anything wrong here. Off to my spring break.</p>
<p>It is pretty clear to me that what this magazine is doing is merely surveying its own subscribers to arrive at its rankings. They already have their email addresses on file and every year just email a selection and ask for their opinion. That is why they do not disclose full their methodology:</p>
<p>From their website:
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<p>I’m pretty sure they have Thomson Reuters do the data collection. Some more information about the methodology can be found here [Methodology</a> and Logistics - IP & Science - Thomson Reuters](<a href=“http://ip-science.thomsonreuters.com/globalprofilesproject/gpp-reputational/methodology/]Methodology”>http://ip-science.thomsonreuters.com/globalprofilesproject/gpp-reputational/methodology/). I agree with you that they should be more forthcoming about their methodology but I don’t think they are just emailing subscribers. Considering the geographic distribution of the survey participants and that the vast majority of TIMES subscribers live in the UK it seems unlikely they are only asking subscribers. It’s also clear that the vast majority of survey respondents are academics while the vast majority of TIMES subscribers are presumably not.</p>
It figures). I had to explain “you know, the school that have most Nobel Prize winners…”</p>