<p>It’s not a “flaw” of this ranking. Different rankings are just interested, and weight, different criteria differently. This ranking doesn’t care about professional or business schools.</p>
<p>[Behind</a> the numbers: reputation ranking methodology explained - Times Higher Education Reputation Rankings](<a href=“http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/world-university-rankings/2011-2012/reputation-methodology.html]Behind”>http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/world-university-rankings/2011-2012/reputation-methodology.html)</p>
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<p>Compare the THE “Reputation Rankings” to the THE “World University Rankings”. The latter is based on a much more complex set of factors. Reputation is one of them (15% for teaching reputation, 18% for research reputation), but so is citation volume (worth 30%, the most heavily weighted individual factor).
<a href=“http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/world-university-rankings/2011-2012/top-400.html[/url]”>http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/world-university-rankings/2011-2012/top-400.html</a>
<a href=“http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/world-university-rankings/2011-2012/analysis-rankings-methodology.html[/url]”>http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/world-university-rankings/2011-2012/analysis-rankings-methodology.html</a></p>
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It is not flawed but their opinion, as we all see things differently. Through fish’s eye nothing is straight, it is what you believe. The sad thing is that we try to mark them as the “bible” of ranking the schools.</p>
<p>Then they better change the title to make it correct. School branding is more useful - and is more commonly applicable - in the business, banking and financial industry, except when one is interested in applying for a post in the university as a university professor.</p>
<p>Read the methodology description (linked above).
It purports to be a ranking of international reputations for research and teaching quality.</p>
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<p>Neither Duke nor Northwestern have top 10 global business schools.
Their US ranking is entirely irrelevant to a global audience.</p>
<p>No one is denying Northwestern has a world-class business school. This reputation ranking is focused more on academic reputation than professional/vocational school reputation.</p>
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As with virtually any discipline, business and law produce a fair share of research (think of Catherine MacKinnon, Laurence Tribe, or Martha Nussbaum) and certainly benefit from good teaching. The difference is simply that research isn’t nearly as important for those fields as it is for others; research output and reputation are not as linked in business and law as they are for A&S, engineering, and medicine. The other problem is that people abroad wouldn’t be able to measure such fields as accurately – scholars in Germany are more likely to be familiar with American researchers in nanotech than in Constitutional law. </p>
<p>I didn’t realize until bclintonk pointed it out that humanities and the social sciences make up ~25% of the ranking, which is indeed somewhat low. I suspect Yale might do better if that percentage were higher. That said, many people abroad care primarily about science/engineering reputations, so I don’t doubt that this is a balanced mix for international reputation.</p>
<p>I would be very interested in a regional analysis…we often hear people claiming School X has a better reputation than School Y in Europe and vice versa in Asia, but to the best of my knowledge there are no good studies of such a distribution. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if scholars in the UK were more likely to conform to the American hierarchy popular on CC than scholars in the Middle East, for example.</p>
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Like many universities, Duke has been working on its name brand overseas with things like a medical branch in Singapore, a business branch under construction in China, and a business partnership in Dubai. It’s a bit disappointing that it still lags, but I have confidence that its reputation will only rise. It could certainly work on core academic areas, however, especially the sciences; only biology and environmental science are as strong as they should be.</p>
<p>Some business school research is probably close enough to Econ that it could still affect the rankings in a small way.</p>
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<p>Here are the various rankings for Northwestern b-school:</p>
<p>U.S. ranking:
Bloomberg Business Week 4
Forbes 8
U.S. News 3</p>
<p>Worldwide
America Economia 11
Business Insider 7
QS Global 200 Business Schools Report 3 (in the US)
Economist 16
Financial Times 16</p>
<p>New York Time’s international business leaders poll 6</p>
<p>By far the most respected ranking of global business school is the Financial Times.<br>
The Economist ranking is widely considered a joke with IESE in Spain as #1.
The QS ranking is employer based only and only provides regional rankings.<br>
Business Insider is not a real ranking just a reader survey.
America Economia is Latin American centric.</p>
<p>^Most respected by who? FT ranks HKUST #10 in the world but in Hong Kong, everyone at HKUST thinks they got a sweet deal by having the joint program with Kellogg. You sound like you are well-versed in the business management. But last I checked, you are just a lawyer. Maybe that’s why you don’t know FT rankings are the most arguable instead of most respected.</p>
<p>I also like how CUHK and HKU jumped 60s/70s places in one year to 28th/37th globally! FT is giving lots of love to my hometown; maybe I should reciprocate…</p>
<p>I don’t think you guys got my point. My point was, this was a survey of school reputation, and both Northwestern and Duke are very reputable schools worldwide. The fact that THE didn’t incorporate business and law subjects in their survey makes the whole result skewed up or incomplete or misnomer…</p>
<p>How would you propose to compare law schools on an international basis? It makes no sense. Education and practice of law is country specific. </p>
<p>In addition, even including business school rankings as stated above, neither is in the top ten according to the most respected global business school rankings.</p>
<p>^ Again, we’re talking about school reputation and law, business and medicine are areas taught as schools. If THE wishes to obtain an honest-to-goodness result of this ranking, why single out some subjects and limit its scope? I could imagine Harvard and Stanford wouldn’t be that prestigious if they don’t have law, business and medical schools. </p>
<p>And, check out the enrollment composition of the top law and business schools. A sizable number of the enrolled students are international.</p>
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<p>No need to read it. THE just needs to change the title of their ranking.</p>
<p>Do law schools actually give schools global prestige? I see an argument for business schools but I imagine law schools add little to a school’s global brand.</p>
<p>^ Really? Why can’t law schools add to the global prestige/image of their respected “parent” universities? Many heads of states, governors, supreme court justices, presidents of large organizations, even royalties are lawyers and many of them were educated at at the best schools in America (HYPS+Berkeley, Northwestern, Chicago, Ivies) and Oxford/Cambridge (Oxbridge).</p>