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Indeed! 'Heaven forbid' you actually write something substantive and coherent! That is what this forum is for after all, right? The exchange of fallacious information.
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<p>That's a very nice strawman you got there.</p>
<p>The fact is you come off poorly due to your flowery and often condescending language. You're just making people disinclined to follow your advice, which when you read the entire topic ( ;) ) is good.</p>
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I could've sworn that this forum was for help and advice, not bombastic lecturing.
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<p><a href="http://www.*******.com/%5B/url%5D">http://www.*******.com/</a></p>
<p>EDIT: why did it block out xoxos URL?</p>
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You're just making people disinclined to follow your advice, which when you read the entire topic ( ) is good.
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<p>It is not my loss.</p>
<p>Edit: It is farcical how certain posters choose advice because of the rhetoric it employs. There is little concern for factual data.</p>
<p>Like I said, factual data:</p>
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If the poster, and Aika, were seriously concerned about getting into a good department (even though any respectable institution is sufficient for undergraduate studies), they would be considering schools such as NYU and Rutgers, both of which consistently rank higher than Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Columbia, and especially Cornell. Indeed, Derek Parfit is now visiting at Rutgers! Now who would not want to work under Derek Parfit?
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The Arthur Kingsley Porter Chair of Philosophy at Harvard did her undergraduate studies from the University of Illinois; Professor Godfrey-Smith (I am unaware of the exact spelling), professor of philosophy of mind at Harvard, did his studies in Australia; Professor Van Inwagen, a world-renowned metaphysicist, did his studies in Belgium!
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<p>In comparison to...</p>
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There actually is a substantial difference between the philosophy department. Also, graduate placement is substantially better at Cornell; and, lets face it, obtaining that ivy label never hurts.
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<p>With this in mind:
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You're just making people disinclined to follow your advice, which when you read the entire topic ( ) is good.
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<p>Sure... if you are an idiot.</p>
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Over the years, many high school students or their parents have contacted me to inquire how to use the Report with respect to choosing an undergraduate institution. The first point to make is that the focus of this Report is on graduate study only: Pittsburgh may have an outstanding philosophy department, but it might make more sense for a good student interested in philosophy to do his or her undergraduate work at Johns Hopkins or Amherst, where student-faculty ratios are more favorable, and where there is a stronger focus on undergraduate education. Many faculty at major departments did not do their undergraduate work at institutions with top-ranked PhD programs. The tenured faculty at Michigan , for example, did undergraduate work at Harvard (2), Swarthmore (2), Wesleyan, Tulane, Oberlin, Amherst, Berkeley, and John Carroll, among other places. Texas faculty did undergraduate work at Yale (4), Princeton (3), Haverford, Drew , Cal Tech, Missouri , Michigan State , Brown, UVA, and Columbia , among other places. There are eminent philosophers--who have held or now hold tenured posts at top ten departments--who did their undergraduate work at the University of New Mexico, Queens College (New York), and the University of Pittsburgh. It is possible to get good philosophical training in many undergraduate settings.
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<p>Facts facts facts...
<a href="http://www.philosophicalgourmet.com/undergrad.htm%5B/url%5D">http://www.philosophicalgourmet.com/undergrad.htm</a></p>
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ou might also consider contacting the philosophy department at an undergraduate institution you are considering to inquire about where graduates have gone on for PhD study. A school like Reed sends more students on to top PhD programs than most universities with top twenty philosophy departments; that says something important about the quality of the philosophical faculty and curriculum. Amherst also provides interesting and impressive information about its alumni in academia: see <a href="http://www.amherst.edu/%7Ephilo/alumni.html%5B/url%5D.%5B/quote%5D">http://www.amherst.edu/~philo/alumni.html.
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