<p>I am applying as a transfer to HYS, MIT, Cornell, UChicago and UPenn. My math professor really berated UPenns math and sciences and told me that they are not strong enough. What do you guys think? Since I am all about math and science, should UPenn be my last choice?</p>
<p>Could you perhaps enlighten us with your stats and major please? And perhaps tell us where you are applying from so that we know if you're an out-of-state applicant for those schools (if that matters).</p>
<p>I am interested in applying to a few of those schools and was wondering what kinds of stats a strong applicant would have.</p>
<p>I have a 4.0, Sat II chem and math 800, SAT I is old and is 1410=630+780 which I think is bad, so I am taking ACT. CR on SAT I bemuses me. Top (#1) student in all math classes, 1 phys class, 2 chem classes. Pretty much o-chem is the only one i wasn't #1 of all sciences, but I am still in top 5 and was the only freshman taking it. Class sizes 300-400. 40 credits after two semesters and a summer session. Out of state. School in top 30ish. Doublemajor in math and something else - still not clear what.</p>
<p>So yeah, anybody's thoughts on UPenn?</p>
<p>when u say top 30ish, is that like Univ of Wisconsin at Madison or like NYU b/c it really does matter. US News stuff is kinda messed up. A 4.0 at NYU is more impressive than a 4.0 at Wisconsin at Madison.</p>
<p>i tottally don't trust the ranks, but you are kidding about NYU, right?</p>
<p>how am i kidding about NYU. The competition is definetely more rigorous at NYU than Wisconsin. Compare the average stats of students at both schools. The average SAT at Wisconsin is like a 1200-1250 and at NYU, its like a 1330.</p>
<p>this is only because most students take the ACT; it's a midwestern ting. it's a thin argument and you might be right...
despite ranking, i have never though highly about NYU. Does it really matter, though?
P.S. I forgot to mention that I am bicultural if it matters and I have been out of HS for 4 years before I started college.</p>
<p>if ur a URM, yeah that matters. I am surprised that you were allowed to attend college as a freshman after such a long absence. Usually, ppl after 4-5 years attend the General Studies portion.</p>
<p>Also how could u-grad be that horrible in madison if they have 10 grad programs in top 10-15 in the country?
however, this could all be argued about HS. schools could never be equivalent.</p>
<p>lol. only columbia mandates a GS program. that's not how america thinks. to quote johny depp, there is only what a man can do and what a man can't do. if a school discriminates against my age i will sue until i don't have to go to school ever again.</p>
<p>and all i was wondering was if UPenn sux in math and science. i didn't come here to discuss chances. i only shared because i was asked, and i did so even though i believe that you cannot get an idea for the applicant pool from discussion threads. how can people tell me what my chances are when they don't even know me. don't doubt me academicaly. i would have subjugated nyu as well. heck, i WILL be within top 5 on putnam within 2 years. then i will get a personal letter from columbia asking me to do my phd there, just like the other kid that was with me on the math team in HS. i was out of school, now i am not. med schools love older students, and they do not discriminate against institutions. 4.0 is a 4.0 and it gets you in med school. now tell me how much worse UW is compared to NYU, because I'd love to hear all about it. when you grow up you'll see that being 21-22 does not make you old GS person. You silly 1987 kids. I knew <a href="http://www.xo">www.xo</a> xo hth.com was a better place to waste your time.</p>
<p>One thing you have to realize here is that people see a post and then they assume a lot of things and start asking more questions when they don't even bother to answer your initial one. then, people like bball, either bash you or critique you in some way that is no where near positive, for example the nyu v. wisco thing, which is absurd, they are both really good schools, thats it, you cant look at average sat scores and say that one is more rigorous than the other. college is as rigorous as you want to make it. but as to your question about the math at UPenn. I currently attend UPenn and when it comes to our college of Arts and Sciences, I don't think our Math department is anything greater than the other Ivies. My math teacher this semester came directly from Munich, could not understand him. He was more like a robot than a math teacher. Very impersonal. I hated it so much that I had to withdraw from the class because i simply could not learn. Now personally, I think that shows a little bit about the math dept. But you can take that however you would like. We have a great engineering program, which obviously sheds some good light on the math department, but other than that, when you talk to people around campus, the buzz isnt about math. our sciences are strong, physics, earth sciences, biological sciences are all good. Anywhere in the ivy is going to be good in pretty much all fields. There are always a few exceptions here and there where one school may be slightly better. If you have any other specific questions about UPenn, let me know.</p>
<p>There is no way NYU is more rigorous than Wisconsin, which is a school known for grade-deflation. Applying a reductio to bball's argument, Harvard is more rigorous than UChicago because the former admits students with higher SAT scores.</p>
<p>This is a ridiculous thread with anecdotal evidence from a bunch of late teen/early 20 high school and college students. Yeah, the average SAT at the University of Wisconsin (a school where the vast majority of students submit the A-C-T) is lower than NYU, but the competition for good grades is intense, along with the fact it is a public school. Grade inflation is non existant. Who cares if Wisconsin is ranked ahead of NYU? They are both well known in academic circles and to claim, "OMFG A 3.67 AT UW WILL NOT GET YOU AS FAR AS THAT 3.6342 AT NYU," are statements based off of personal belief, not any study or credible source.</p>
<p>yeah it is ridiculous. junior was trying to scare me.</p>
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<p>So age disqualifies one from providing information? Surely you mean to suggest that, for otherwise the object of that preposition is utterly meaningless.</p>
<p>I would argue that at the age of 19 or 20, with no expierence outside of being an underclassmen in college/high school, they have little to <em>no</em> expierence dealing with how schools are viewed in the real world. The people who will have that expierence, are older.</p>