Travel Abroad & Linguistics at Amherst vs. Brown

Hi! I’m a rising HS senior who is hoping to apply ED to either Amherst or Brown. I love the diversity, Open Curriculum, and undergraduate focus, and both offer a biophysics major (I will be pre-med, but this is subject to change I think?).

However, I also want to double-major in linguistics, and travel abroad as much as possible (so I need to consider travel abroad programs + finances at these schools). Would it be better to go to Amherst or Brown for linguistics + travel abroad? I like the idea of cross-registering at UMass because they have a good linguistics program, but would I get a linguistics degree by doing so?

I know traveling abroad as pre-med can be iffy sometimes, but I heard Brown is really good with that. Yet I’ve heard at Amherst if you travel-abroad for a semester, it costs the same as if you would study at the school, so I’m really confused.

Any help would be appreciated, thank you!

Hi @AMJ2021 . My daughter is a rising Junior at Brown and is premed, so I asked her about your questions. I’m also going to hook in @Meddy, who’s daughter is a rising Junior at Amherst, although not a premed, but maybe she can help you with some questions.

My D’s first response was, “There’s no way she is going to have enough time to take all the classes she wants. She will end up with zero free classes. Find out if Amherst has minors, because maybe she should minor in linguistics at Amherst”

So let me break this down for you. At Brown, as you know there are no core requirements, except 1 writing requirement that can be satisfied by some of the classes you would be taking anyway if you were to concentrate in linguistics. The sticking point is that you only take 4 classes a semester. If you want to go the premed route, you will have to take the following courses (or AP out of them) while you are in the US: 4 chem classes, 2 physics classes, 2 math classes, and 2 biologies with labs. If you will be a biophysics concentrator, you will have to take additional bio and physics classes, but for med school application purposes you can take those additional bio/physics classes abroad if you want as long as those additional classes aren’t pre-requisites or co-requisites required for your concentration.

My D said that, regardless of where you go to college, if you are premed and if you don’t want to take a gap year between college and med school (which is STRONGLY recommended), then the only time for you to go abroad other than summers is Junior Fall. That’s because you will need to take the MCAT Junior Spring, and then you will have interviews (hopefully) Senior Fall and Spring so you’d want to be in the US for that.

With regard to Brown in particular, she said that the best way of taking the premed classes is to have taken AP Chemistry in HS and get a 4 or a 5. That would enable you to skip the first Chem class in the sequence, then you’d take Chem 330 (Equilibrium, Rate & Structure) Freshman Fall (this is only offered in the Fall), Chem 350 (Orgo I) Freshman Spring, Chem 360 (Orgo 2) Sophmore Fall, and Bio 280 (biochem) Sophmore Spring.

I mentioned that my D is a premed, but her major is not in the sciences. She feels that she is not really able to take advantage of Brown’s Open Curriculum, because by the time she takes the premed classes and the classes needed for her major, she just doesn’t have very many open classes left. If her concentration were in the sciences, she feels like she would have a much better opportunity to take advantage of the Open Curriculum. As it is, she can’t imagine doing premed, a non-science concentration AND another concentration, as then every class she would take would be a required class.

As a parent, I wish my D had just chosen her existing concentration and didn’t take premed classes, and instead did a one or two year post-bacc program to get in all the premed requirements. On her behalf, I regret that she wasn’t able to take full advantage of the Open Curriculum, which is such an incredible advantage to Brown and Amherst. It lets you try out different classes and see what you like and what you don’t like. It can open whole new avenues to you, and who knows, you might decide you’d rather be a lawyer or a business consultant rather than a doctor. Just my 2 cents.

One other thing that I didn’t really talk about is that you CAN study abroad in the summers and that it’s during the study abroad programs that you could try out all new types of courses. But if you go that route, and you really want to stay on the premed track without taking a gap year, you will have to make sure you get in all of your doctor shadowing, clinical volunteering and non-clinical volunteering during the school year. So you’ll really have to keep your eye on the ball.

@melvin123 Wow, thank you so much for the great info, I really appreciate it! I guess it does sound tough to do biophysics, linguistics, and pre-med while traveling abroad even with an Open Curriculum (because I wouldn’t want to do a gap year ideally). I’ll probably have to do more research about how biophysics + premed requirements overlap at each school and if one school is more flexible than the other. Thank you again!

I do know that if you study abroad for a semester while a student at Amherst the cost is the same if you were on campus. My son is at Amhert and both schools are great choices!

@CasablancaFan Thank you! Would you happen to know anything about costs or study abroad programs during the summer?

Amherst doesn’t have a Linguistics major that I know of, but you will certainly be able to take advantage of one of the best linguistics programs through the consortium at UMass. You can take up to half of your courses through the consortium. I will say that although Amherst College has the consortium, as I have heard time and time again, you go to Amherst to go to Amherst :wink:

You should also reach out and ask about their Independent Scholar program to see if that could offer you the option.

I think that both schools will offer you one of the finest educations available and in that respect they are similar, but take time to think about what makes them so different:

9k undergraduate students at Brown to Amherst’s less than 2k. That will create a different college life experience. Not just in the classroom, but socially.

Amherst is a small rural town, but it does have 40k college students in the nearby area as part of the 5 College Consortium.

I have friends with parent of twins that have kids at a smaller elite and larger elite and both have said the very same thing- the schools are outstanding in their resources, there is no lack in that area. Yet their kids did not apply to the other’s school because of fit. Strongly consider your needs, before your wants. You will make the right choice and I wish you the very best-
Tusks up! :slight_smile:

@Meddy Thanks for the info! I’ve reached out to Amherst and they’ve said I can take linguistics courses at UMass, though unless I create my own major I won’t graduate with a degree in linguistics. I’ve sent a follow-up email asking how probable it is I would get this major approved, but I’m not too concerned about it. I think having a strong linguistics background is what matters more than just the degree, which is what I would get through the 5 College Consortium.

I think I’m leaning more towards Amherst rather than Brown because I really do love smaller schools as I’m a strong, strong introvert. Though a rural location is less than ideal, there are other students there and Boston + NYC aren’t very far.

Would you know if Amherst offers minors in any of its programs? I can’t find anything about it on the website. If I end up dropping pre-med to graduate with a major in linguistics, it’d be great to have minors to back it up (whether those be official degrees or maybe unofficial, as I’m sure the Open Curriculum allows enough flexibility to take enough courses for an unofficial degree in a subject).

Thanks for your help :slight_smile:

I don’t believe they have minors, but you can double major at Amherst or get a certificate in some interesting things through the consortium.

As for Boston and NYC, just know that first years don’t get to bring cars and most kids hang around town for fun. Amherst brings events on campus since it isn’t very convenient to drive to the city. My daughter and friends do so but only on breaks or long weekends- more of an occasion.

I wish you the best! Keep me posted.

I do not know the cost of study abroad in the summer. As far as your question about ethnic groups sticking together all I can say is my son’s group of friends is very diverse. There might be some that stick together but I would not say that would be the majority. Keep us posted on what you decide - as I said before two great schools!

Thanks everyone for your insight, I can’t express how much I appreciate it! I’m going ahead and applying ED to Amherst this fall :slight_smile: I can create an interdisciplinary major at Amherst with not too much difficulty using UMass courses and some courses from Amherst I’m interested in anyways, and the travel abroad program sounds really good. I also am liking the Amherst culture more, and it overall just seems like a more flexible school for my purposes, especially with the Five College Consortium I can take advantage of. Thanks again everyone!

Travel abroad is the same cost as being on campus, an that includes your travel and a living stipend and all that. My D graduated in '19 but did both a semester abroad and a January abroad internship in that same country, which Amherst funded.

Pre-med - just make sure you start planning early, you can’t use the abroad time to fulfill those med school required classes.