Trump won! What does this mean for college admissions rates?

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They are also very low on causes of death in the US.

https://www.start.umd.edu/pubs/START_AmericanTerrorismDeaths_FactSheet_Oct2015.pdf lists number of deaths due to terrorist attacks in the US. From 1995 to 2014, there were 3264 deaths in the US, of which 3003 occurred in 2001 (261 in all other years combined). That is 163 per year average including 2001, 9 per year average for all other years in that time period.

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm lists overall crimes by year. From 1995 to 2014, total murders and non-negligent homicides in the US ranged from 14,164 to 21,610 per year. If you are afraid of being intentionally killed, common non-politically-motivated crimes are the vast majority of the risk.

Of course, intentional homicides themselves are less common than deaths from car crashes, which ranged from 32,479 to 42,884 per year over those same years, according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_in_U.S._by_year .

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http://www.pewforum.org/2014/07/16/how-americans-feel-about-religious-groups/ indicates that people in the US like Muslims less than other major religious groups in the US.

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Another potential effect on college choices may be due to economic perceptions. To the extent that people perceive that Wall Street is entrenching “ruling class” (over business and the economy) status, and that whatever social safety net there exists will be reduced (so that there is greater “need” to have as much money as possible), some students and their parents may emphasize pre-professional motivations more in making college choices. For high stat students, this may lead to increased emphasis on college directions that are seen as fast-track-to-Wall-Street.

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@albert69, while your logic is okay as far is it goes, empirical examples prove otherwise.

Because I want to keep this non-political, I’ll give general unspecified examples, and then bring it home to the response of one university.

If you notice, there’s a really big city on the East Coast that has lost literally thousands of people to terrorists. The city has been struck by terrorism several times. If you also notice, it’s a city that is not afraid of terrorism. Why is this? More and more people from outside of the city want to live there. Overwhelmingly the city has opted in favor of welcoming refugees and offering sanctuary to other groups. It has done this historically. Open to outsiders. Hey, they even put up a statue there to welcome immigrants. But I digress.

Why does this City welcome Muslims in light of being struck by Islamic terrorism? Do the residents simply not “get it”? Or is it because they are rational, have personally experienced it, and actually understand the odds? The odds are low. More, they also understand the huge advantage of welcoming people, with their intelligence, conviction, and drive.

Currently the City in setting itself up as a sanctuary city is doing its best to block electronic records of its community that might be used by the Fed Gov to register people in the future.

It’s also a City that turned out in the thousands for days and days after the recent election to protest a certain Office-Elect (dogcatcher perhaps?) who happens to live there, because of what that candidate stands for and may I add that the city overwhelmingly did not vote for said candidate–whoever you might imagine that person to be–though said candidate calls the City his/her hometown. This is because he/she likes to scapegoat certain groups, including Muslims. That person is not well loved in his/her hometown. Think on that.

Because this discussion is verging on the political and we really need to keep it on the academic, I want to bring the above examples home to campuses and colleges. One Ivy University in that unnamed city has set itself up as a sanctuary campus, for example. Again, stupidity? Or experience and rational decision making, knowing that overwhelmingly over time, the refugees and immigrants have reinfused the city with energy and smarts, making it one of the smartest, fastest-moving, most successful economies in the world for hundreds of years, and one of the biggest engines of positive change. The city welcomes all people. The people make the city successful. The colleges in the city have followed suit.

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I’m not arguing that all Muslims are terrorists or that terrorism is the most likely cause of death. Comparing terrorism to car accidents is irrelevant because car accidents are just that, accidents - I highly doubt that any religion is linked to car crashes in any major way.

Under the logic of “it’s rare, so why fear it?” there should be no outrage against guns after a school shooting. Coming from a perspective of “easy access to guns causes school shootings,” people shouldn’t promote gun control as the solution because the vast majority of guns aren’t used for shooting in schools. I think that’s a decent analogy since it’s the same topic, senseless mass killings.

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That’s going super off topic, and your analogy is not a great one.
In an effort to not engage in the debate, I’m simply going to recommend you read this article @albert69
http://theantimedia.org/the-war-on-terror-has-created-6500-more-terrorism/
and contemplate the possibility that our country brought this on itself.

The reason I bring this up is that if our president-elect continues being unstable and perhaps gets us involved in another foreign conflict in the middle east, we might end up with more people wanting to come to the US for university because their country has been turned into a war-zone.

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Point noted. Thanks for the info. @philbegas

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I think that regardless of our political persuasions it’s going to be very interesting to see if this president is going to spawn a significantly different educational climate (and perhaps terrifying if it’s as anti-immigrant as his fiery election-trail rhetoric).

I read the other day that he’s actually got an interesting student debt plan?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2016/10/13/trump-just-laid-out-a-pretty-radical-student-debt-plan/?utm_term=.fc8f67f9199b

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This isn’t just an issue for international students. My kid applying to grad schools is having serious second thoughts about schools in deep red states. She is worried that if the current rage against immigrants and people of color doesn’t result in economic improvement in those areas that people with more education may be targeted eventually. She is a student of world history, even though it is not her major. I can’t blame her for that concern – it has happened before.

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My mother and I butted heads for the exact same reason @intparent
I’m a transfer student, and very set about where I’m applying.

However, my younger brother is (no offense to him) not as well-read as I am, and even though he leans left on the political spectrum, does not know enough to oppose my mothers viewpoints (seventh-day adventist, conservative). Because he didn’t have good grades, our college counselor was recommending state schools that are easier to get into in places like Alabama, Georgia, Kentucky, etc. But I know that people recommend for you to go to college in a place you’d be okay with living in unless you’re really set on a particular degree or school, so I was trying to push for public schools in places that aren’t so…right-leaning since he’s not bothering to do his own research lol.

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This is alarmism. People voted for Trump because he was not Hillary. I am sure those people with silly fears of Muslims, immigrants, Mexicans voted for Romney in 2008. Let the rhetoric die down before you “fear” the new administration. Being concerned is normal anytime there party change.

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I’m really trying to not get drawn into a debate but this whole condescending attitude of calling people alarmists because they’re afraid is pissing me off.

To call it alarm-ism is simply invalidating the fears of millions of people. He has said inflammatory things towards minorities, immigrants, he has said incredibly disrespectful things towards women. There has not been such a divisive candidate in years. It’s perfectly understandable for people to be angry and afraid, especially since he was not elected by the popular vote.

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“Some international students are afraid to come to the U.S for school.”

I think Trump would make it very difficult for some international students to get in and study. Also, he might kills the H-1B visa program and some international students will less likely want to apply.

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Also for those who haven’t been seeing the news about who his pick for secretary of education should start paying attention:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/11/education-secretary-betsy-devos-vouchers-michigan-trump

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It means there will be a spike in fake universities that just take people’s money for their own benefit, like Trump U! Sorry, I couldn’t resist that!

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And with Betsy DeVoes they’ll get voucher funding from the taxpayers lol!

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@philbegas said: "I’m really trying to not get drawn into a debate but this whole condescending attitude of calling people alarmists because they’re afraid is pissing me off.

To call it alarm-ism is simply invalidating the fears of millions of people. He has said inflammatory things towards minorities, immigrants, he has said incredibly disrespectful things towards women. There has not been such a divisive candidate in years. It’s perfectly understandable for people to be angry and afraid, especially since he was not elected by the popular vote."

I really appreciate your saying this, as I am the one whom an earlier poster was shaking his head at for being alarmist. And Trump himself (a five-time draft deferrer) was quoted as saying he would bring back the draft.

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It means more American Students will be accepted into US Universities of their choice. And Foreign Students with Fake GPAs and Fraudulent SAT scores will be forced to study somewhere else.