<p>Alexandre - you are right on in your assessment. Michigan's engineering school is not only the equal of Ga. Tech's (or perhaps better), the opportunity at Michigan is unequalled. My daughter goes to perhaps the best public high school in the nation, and I cannot recall where a prospective engineering student there (and with average SAT's on the old scale of over 1500, at this school, there is a lot of candidates) chose either Wash U or Ga Tech over UMich. Of course, one can get a good education at these other places (in fact, great educations) but if one wants to push the sky to the limit, Michigan has the resources and the pull to do it.</p>
<p>"but if one wants to push the sky to the limit, Michigan has the resources and the pull to do it"</p>
<p>HAHA, i don't know where to begin with this one. I wonder where you went to college. All i'm saying is, Alexandre is an unprestigious prestige whore. As evidenced by his math ranking up 2 places, and bio up from 21 to 17 lol, thread. lol,,lol,lol!!</p>
<p>ok....?? what..?</p>
<p>Overall, WashU's engineering program is not as good as Michigan's. However, BME is perhaps an exception. With a top-ranked medical school nearby and a large endowment (per student), the department and the university can only improve in the future. There is a big upward potential to attend WashU. The growth of Michigan is limited, unless it wants to turn into a private one! One thing people have not mentioned is that the rapidly improving reputation of WashU has been largely related to the efforts of its two chacellors: Chancellor Danforth was well connected and from a very rich and powerful family; Chancellor Wrighton came from MIT (as the provost there) and a reknowned scholar in Chemistry. Money and science certainly are important in improving the quality of an institution.</p>
<p>Actually CJ, Michigan is taking the necessary steps to grow its BME program (they just completed a $25 million building solely committed to the study and research of BME) and its endowment. In 1990, Washington's endowment stood at $1.5 billion and Michigan's at $0.5 billion. Today, Washington's endowment stands at $4.5 billion (300% increase) and Michigan's at $5 billion (1,000% increase). And Michigan gets over $300 million of state funding from the state of Michigan. So I would not say Michigan upward trend is limited. Michigan has the fastest growing endowment in the nation, by a significant margin. If anything, Michigan's upward trend is unlimited.</p>
<p>It doesn't have the fastest growing endowment, Harvard is the best at this endowment race, Yale has grown significantly as well. So actually, Alexandre, my man, you are wrong. Endowment has nothing to do with the topic we are discussing. WashU leadership has taken action to improve its rankings, UMICH Leadership has done nothing to improve the education, and there is a trend of major leaders leaving the UMICH FAMILY. (hehe)
As an example, MLB(Modern Language Building), for my first two years at UM, has had those horrendous broken seats in the lecture halls, and a lot of classes taken place here.
It just goes to show people higher up don't give a ****.</p>
<p>NYao, if you are talking about 2005, then yes, Harvard and Yale grew slightly faster than Michigan. But it is a fact that Michigan's endowment has been the fastest growing over the last 15 years. Harvard and Yale may have had larger growth in the last 2 years, but it was clear from my content that I was referring to a trend, not just of the last 2 years. Even in the last 2 years, Michigan's endowment has been one of the 3 or 4 fastest growing. From 1990-2005, Michigan's endowment grew from $0.5 billion to $5 billion (1,000%). In that same time, Harvard's endowment grew from $5.1 billion to $26 billion (500%) and Yale's endowment grew from $3 billion to $15 billion (500%). Obviously, Michigan will not be competing with those guys anytime soon. But in the next 5 years, Michigan's endowment will grow subtentially to place it in fifth place, ahead of other heavy weights like MIT and Columbia. </p>
<p>Whether Michigan uses that money better than other universities is another subject. I personally have no idea what other schools are doing with their money. Hell, I don't even know what Michigan is doing with its money. I guess you do. Thanks for educating me.</p>
<p>how about UMich vs. Cornell for engineering?</p>
<p>They are identical in terms of quality, ranking and reputation. It is one of those "go-for-fit" scenarios. I loved my experience at Cornell and my experience at Michigan. You should try to visit both schools before deciding.</p>
<p>hehe, no problem. I'm a talented teacher.
Cornell over Umich Engineering hands down. the students at cornell are better. Umich average SAT is only 1380. Cornell engineering has been well over 1400 for many years. Ivy league attracts better recruiters. Cornell Engineering is private, most likely its a little better, the tuition is the same too for OOS student, there is no reason to choose Michigan over cornell unless you are a MI resident who is expected to pay the full tuition. </p>
<p>And Alexandre, have you ever gone to a school that you didn't like? I'm curious because you seem like someone who likes everything you get into.</p>
<p>I usually like look at the best everything has to offer. Including you NYao! And by the way NYao, employers like Cornell and Michigan equally. The average SAT score at Cornell Engineering, in multiple sittings, is 1440. The mean SAT score at Michigan Engineering, is 1380. I'd say that they equalize each other. And Michigan is not a typical public university. Michigan's endowment is $5 billion (compared to Cornell's $3.7 billion) and Michigan gets a lot of money from the state, whereas Cornell doesn't. It is worth chosing Michigan over Cornell, even if they charge the same, if you feel more at home at Michigan. And one more thing, Michigan is about 15% cheaper than Cornell. Over 4 years, that amounts to roughly $25,000. Not a lot of money, but still a significant sum.</p>
<p>Alexandre, where are you getting SATs for Cornell Engineering? I am curious about SAT/GPA breakdown for the schools/programs within Cornell. Thanks.</p>