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<p>Because I went to MSU (undergrad)…there ya go.</p>
<p>I like how this guy treats me like trash because I made a factual point that MSU’s engineering program is less rigorous than U of M’s. Am I jabbing at your self-esteem or something? I’m “arrogant”? </p>
<p>GLOBALTRAVELER, keep in mind that you also went to grad school. I never said that MSU is a bad school (hey crazed, can you hear me yet? I’m arrogant? let’s hear that loud and clear again? Oh wait, I can’t hear you). My point is that big out of state companies are generally going to be attracted to U of M’s engineering students when compared to MSU’s. </p>
<p>Everyone knows that the brand value of a college name doesn’t get you far. It gets you in the door for the interview, thats about it (ross school of business anyone?). And then experience is what counts 5 to 10 years after you graduate. But it would be wrong to say that MSU’s engineering students are able to get to that first round interview as easily as U of M’s engineering students when both are facing a major corporation, thats my only point here.</p>
<p>Collegebound- You asked for it… Arrogant. Yes you are.
You stated 10-20 years experience is needed to negate college attended, now you state 5-10 years. Sadly, you continue to speculate and try to come off like you know it all.</p>
<p>Rigor of program is not defined by school name or rank, for the most part. Do you actually believe your Physics, Chem, Calc, etc. classes are any different from the ones taken at other schools or by my son? Do you actually think they use different text books or that some profs look for “easier” textbooks?</p>
<p>To all who care about the posted topic… go where you want. You will get interviews whether on campus or by sending out resumes. Get experience and internships when you can. Those internships could be the key to a great job for you.</p>
<p>Collegeboundguy- I don’t doubt that after 4 years of college experience, you will be able to offer valid information on many topics on the CC website. In the meantime, you should start every post with the line… I have just graduated HS and don’t know much yet…though this is my opinion on the topic. I’ve seen other posts where members question the information/opinions you post as fact.</p>
<p>(Global traveler- MSU alum here too- both undergrad and grad school. Great experience and great education. … and everyone I graduated with was employed and is doing very well careerwise!)</p>
<p>Off to more interesting topics. I have my own teens to deal with.</p>
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Actually I believe there IS a difference, in terms of grading, mainly due to the class curves. When one’s grades are dependent on how well one’s peers perform, the level of difficulty of the materials is likely differ as well.</p>
<p>I’ve been going on online forums for about 5 years and you are the most rude person I have ever met. Hiding behind that computer screen and throwing insult? What are you, 12? </p>
<p>5 to 10 years, 10 to 20 years, etc etc etc…are you an idiot? Do you really think there is a statistical number where your experience suddenly becomes more important than where you got the degree from or are you just looking for ways to put me down? my only point was that after time where you get your degree makes no difference. </p>
<p>I’m not arrogant, please stop calling me that. Holy ****, maybe I’m dealing with one of those uptight parents my teachers once complained about. Am I hurting your spartan pride, crazed? Maybe thats why your all worked up. Or maybe you just fail to notice that I never said MSU was a bad school. </p>
<p>EDIT: Oh btw, it’s ironic how you accuse others of saying false things when your pulling things out of your butt. </p>
<p>Almost all engineering programs across the country teach the same things in the 1st and 2nd year courses. You think people are stupid to think that engineering school X is not going to teach calc 3 while engineering school Y does?</p>
<p>By your logic, since all schools across the country use similar textbooks, that should make engineering programs similar in strength. Oh wait…thats not true. Well then, what makes one school’s engineering program better than another?</p>
<p>Since your a wise, experienced sage who knows all about the facts of life, why don’t you explain to us all what “rigor of program” is defined by.</p>
<p>It seems like to me, the fact that MSU’s engineering program keeps being emphasized as being weaker than U of M’s engineering program seems to be hurting your self-esteem. The original point was that large corporations are generally going to be more attracted more to U of M’s engineering students when compared to MSU’s students. Do you have a problem with that? Did I ever say that its impossible for MSU grads to get out of state jobs? Did I ever say that MSU is a bad school? Can you read? What if a U of M grad working industry just posted what I wrote above? Would you still believe it, or is my age just a convenient way to keep denying everything?</p>
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<p>Ummm…MSU grads know that.</p>
<p>What some of the older posters like to point out is that there is this economic concept called “supply & demand” in certain engineering disciplines which minimizes the comparison of schools. So that allows large corporations to hire pretty much based on need. Another thing that some folks forget is that there are probably more jobs available in some engineering areas that the total number of new grads in all of the engineering schools combined. At that time…school comparison pretty much becomes a moot point.</p>
<p>The OLDER posters pretty much sit back and giggle and read all of these postings from the YOUNGER crowd asking questions like “What if I triple major at Stanford…how much will I get?”</p>
<p>…but this is a forum, so the freedom of speech clause is in effect.</p>
<p>Collegebound- Do you see that everything I state to refute what you say, you now deny. Reread your posts. Also, you ask if I am 12…Obviously, no, though you state, and I quote “I’ve been going on online forums for about 5 years” guess you were 12 at the time. Maybe you need a better hobby.</p>
<p>No, I’m not rude, just disagree with you. Guess if I am not impressed by you then that makes me rude. People on this forum certainly have different opinions, but its the kids who seem to think they know it all (arrogance).</p>
<p>By the way, you repeatedly type “your” for “you are” or the contraction “you’re”.</p>
<p>I suggest you stick to things you know, like, how far it is from AA to Detroit. What the school colors are…</p>
<p>Collegebound:
This is what you first posted:
“most out of state employers all recruit at U of M and not MSU.”</p>
<p>You are in a constant state of contradiction with yourself.</p>
<p>I find this entire post a little funny…but in all seriousness, I’d like to give my 2 cents.</p>
<p>I started off college going to a Big 10 “Brand Name” university ranked in the top 10ish for undergrad engineering programs in Indiana. But, that didn’t really last for long. Why you may ask? Because, in all reality, the university was not a good fit for me. I ended up transferring from there back home to a much smaller not so brand name school in southfield, MI that was known for its engineering school. Now this smaller Tech School in Southfield didn’t really have tons of “Brand Reputation” outside of the Metro-Detroit area. For sure, it basically had little to no “Brand Reputation” outside the state of MI. </p>
<p>After transferring, I realized that this school was a great fit for me. The class sizes were extremely small (I’m talking 5-10 students max in my upper level courses). At the big school, I was 1 in 400 kids taking Calc 1. At the Tech School in Southfield, I was a real person, my professors knew me and I knew them, there was never any TA interaction, was always taught and interacted with a professor, even in lab courses. Here I excelled. </p>
<p>At the end of the day, I’m not dissapointed in my decision because I found the school that was the right fit for me. For me, small classes, more personal interaction with professors was the key. Here, I didn’t feel lost. I graduated with a 3.4 GPA with my BSME and a Minor in Business. I was in a social fraternity, the Mechanical Engineering honor society, Dean’s List, and was a part of a few organizations on campus. I had 5 Co-op rotations at large global corporations (Toyota, TRW, Yazaki) sitting next to other co-op students from my school, MSU, UofM, Kettering, Purdue etc. This small school I transferred to was still accredited by ABET. This means, fundamentally I didn’t learn anything different than any other engineering student across the country. In fact, we used the same books as UofM, MSU, Wayne State, Kettering, Purdue, UC schools etc (at the end of the day, there are only a hand full of quality engineering textbooks in the various disciplines). After graduating, I went on to get 3 job offers, all at large global companies and ultimately picked my dream job. </p>
<p>Please, don’t take the above few paragraphs as me trying to brag or anything - that is NOT my point. My point is that you can be successful no matter where you go, so long as you WORK HARD. Engineering is no cake walk, regardless of what university you attend. However, pick the school where you can feel most comfortable, feel like you have the best odds of success, and where you can see yourself for the next 4-5 years. That is the most important. Rankins are one thing, but it’s no use going to UofM or MIT or CalTech if you have a 2.0. Go to the school you feel the most comfortable, forget the rankings, and get good grades, internships/co-ops, and be involved in some campus organizations related to your major and just ones for fun that you’re interested in. That is what will yield you a good job that you want come graduation. </p>
<p>For the record, I currently attend UofM engineering grad school (Go Blue!) while working full time. Attending UofM has been a life-long dream of mine and I am personally happy to be achieving that goal. However, at the end of the day, don’t just do something purely for the rankings. You can achieve great success from any school - you just have to work your butt off. Oh, and don’t forget to have some fun too!!</p>
<p>Finally… someone normal… lol</p>
<p>Let’s see what the business leaders say …</p>
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<p>Lol, only in the UM-MSU rivalry will people endlessly bash each other’s football team, basketball team, hockey team, female attractiveness, personalities, and engineering programs.</p>
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