<p>bearcats, Forbes (both the magazine and its owner) are delusional. I agree that Huffington Post is hardly quote worthy either.</p>
<p>^ I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree, because if what you are saying were true, then so is virtually every media outlet.</p>
<p>As this thread has turned into yet another Duke/Michigan youknowwhating match, I’d like to take it further off topic and express my absolute shock that MSU is very highly regarded on an international scale- and that it surprised people ;)</p>
<p>“I agree that if Michigan’s COA is only $12K per year, I would go to U of M. I didn’t realize the cost difference was only ~$50,000 over 4 years.”</p>
<p>Finally, you have come about to understanding the point others were making all along.</p>
<p>“As this thread has turned into yet another Duke/Michigan youknowwhating match, I’d like to take it further off topic and express my absolute shock that MSU is very highly regarded on an international scale- and that it surprised people.”</p>
<p>I wasn’t surprised that MSU was ranked as high as it was internationally, more shocked how poorly Alabama is perceived in comparison.</p>
<p>Anyone have cross admit statistics for UMich:Alabama? /sarcasm</p>
<p>Outside of blue chip football recruits, I doubt anyone has ever legitimately cross shopped the two. In other words, this thread is a few pages of pointless babble. Not a chance you send your son to Tuscaloosa.</p>
<p>Alexandre, shame on you for deleting my post and curbing my right to free speech. I would think a Michigan alum would fight for the right for someone to express an alternate viewpoint than their own as a matter of principle.</p>
<p>Rjkofnovi, who cares about some arbitrary international ranking? Dartmouth and Georgetown very poorly on these surveys as well. Rankings stop matter after a certain point and Alabama and MSU are both fine regional flagships.</p>
<p>I didn’t post anything about international rankings. Just commented on shocked I was on how poorly Alabama was rated. Of course since all/most of the international rankings have Michigan rated above Duke, I would naturally expect you to discount them.</p>
<p>Unfortunately rjkofnovi, you are neither a member of Michigan’s faculty or a PhD student in any department there, so you didn’t get to experience the part of your university that is held in the highest regard i.e. research output and graduate departmental strength.</p>
<p>I, on the other hand, have attended the division of my alma mater that is arguably held in the highest esteem and have moved on to a top 3 law school.</p>
<p>Maybe one day you will be fortunate enough to get into Michigan’s PhD program in Political Science or Sociology…or at the very least its top 10ish law school to enhance you diploma from a top 30 school.</p>
<p>You’re just a peach, Goldenboy. </p>
<p>-From a Michigan grad student in a top 3 department there</p>
<p>Goldenboy, you have no “right to free speech” on this internet forum, lol.</p>
<p>Plus you’re pretty annoying. Have been for all the years I’ve been here</p>
<p>"Anyone have cross admit statistics for UMich:Alabama? /sarcasm</p>
<p>Outside of blue chip football recruits, I doubt anyone has ever legitimately cross shopped the two. In other words, this thread is a few pages of pointless babble. Not a chance you send your son to Tuscaloosa."</p>
<p>Is this a joke LOL?
Michigan OOS - 52k
Alabama OOS for highly qualified students - Less than 10k, sometimes 0.
I would save 160k-200k and go to Bama if I weren’t in Ross. </p>
<p>In-state to michigan is obviously not the same argument.</p>
<p>And Bearcats, last year Forbes ranked Cal at #50 and Cornell at #51. Honestly didn’t even recognize a couple of the schools ranked 30-50. If that doesn’t scream nonsense, idk what does.</p>
<p>" In-state to michigan is obviously not the same argument."</p>
<p>The OP is instate to Michigan. That was the point of the whole discussion. Also, please compare apples to apples. Alabama provides free tuition for well qualified applicants. At least that is what we were discussing here. So the less than 10K, sometimes 0 comment does not include room and board. The 52K for Michigan does.</p>
<p>“The OP is instate to Michigan. That was the point of the whole discussion. Also, please compare apples to apples. Alabama provides free tuition for well qualified applicants. At least that is what we were discussing here. So the less than 10K, sometimes 0 comment does not include room and board. The 52K for Michigan does.”</p>
<p>Alabama does offer several other departmental scholarships, and more full rides (in comparison to Michigan). The 10k was the room and board. </p>
<p>I agree it was a sidebar from the OPs question. I was just pointing out that it is ridiculous to say that the only students going to Bama over Mich are football recruits.</p>
<p>goldenboy, free speech is welcome on this forum. Lies and trolling are not.</p>
<p>“Goldenboy, you have no “right to free speech” on this internet forum, lol.”</p>
<p>Actually he does. I have had this conversation with someone else a couple days ago. </p>
<p>Goldenboy is DEFINITELY entitled to his first amendment rights, however, CC also has the right to not publish his freely made statements.</p>
<p>The net effect is the same but it’s an important distinction because what you said implies that a person’s first amendment rights can be violated, which is untrue.</p>
<p>I stand corrected Pat1120.</p>
<p>
I was stating facts; I used proof to back up my assertion that if you’re going to get a Liberal Arts degree, even for the purposes of going into Academia, its preferable to choose a top private school over a public school since the job opportunities and career advising tends to be better as a fall back option. Lets face it, most college students change their minds umpteen times about what professional career they want to pursue.</p>
<p>My advice to the OP would be to actually contact the History departments at both schools and try to get detailed data on where graduates have been placed into doctoral programs. If Michigan ends up having a clear advantage and is affordable, that would be my choice.</p>
<p>You lied when you said that Duke students are more highly recruited than Ross students. Ross students are in fact far better recruited than Duke students. It is not even close. You also lied when you said that Duke students are far more heavily recruited than LSA students. LSA students are as highly recruited as non-Engineering Duke students, with the exception of IBanks and Consulting firms, which, as I mentioned above, do focus their attention primarily on Ross. And you lied as well when you stated that IBanks and Consulting firms do not recruit LSA students. There are literally dozens of LSA students who accept jobs with IBanks and Management Consulting firms annually. Basically, anytime you state that Duke is better than Michigan at anything, you are lying. Those two universities are peer institutions. Last year, of the 700 Duke graduates who looked for jobs, only 500 or so were placed. Of those, only 15% joined “financial institutions”. I doubt more than half had front office jobs at BB Wall Street firms. And only 12% took jobs with “consulting firms”. Given the size of the job seeking population (over 700), over 700, I wonder how many of those IBank and MC-bound students got their jobs thanks to their parents’ connections. Those kids would have probably secured their jobs regardless of where they went to college. When 1 in every 3 Duke students SEEKING a job is unemployed, you start to wonder. Those numbers are paltry. Pathetic really. I really do not see how you can claim that Duke students are better off than LSA students.</p>
<p><a href=“Duke Student Affairs”>Duke Student Affairs;
When it comes to corporate recruitment, Ross >> Duke = LSA with the exception of IBanking, in which case, it is Ross >> Duke > LSA.</p>