<p>Which is why she is now ranked as a top swimmer in the US? That was one example of many I have. She should have been admitted solely on her grades, Sats, character, etc anyway.
Diversity, I believe that we have enough first generation students here in the US to add the needed diversity on campuses across the nation.
We are not a “stand alone country,” true, but we should look out for our own first. </p>
<p>Do not pass judgement on my character. I am not being selfish - just speaking about what I believe to be the right thing for our children. Stick to the issue.</p>
<p>@ArmoMom, which schools are we talking about? I know that for Harvard, Princeton, Yale and Stanford, there are no more than 10 students each year from China for each school. However, there are many Chinese American students who were born here in those schools. Are you talking about those students?</p>
<p>@ArmoMom, What is her name?
And like southpasdena said, international students add more to the diversity and experience of students, than first generation students do. International students have more knowledge about their culture, their language, and their country’s lifestyle than first generation students who were born and raised in the US. And you have to realize that when an applicant sends their applications and resume to the college, the college has to look at all applicants as equal as possible and compare that applicant to those others that they receive. In the end, what may be a “perfect” applicant to you, may not be as perfect to the college admissions.</p>
<p>I noticed that quite a few high end schools had a large immigrant population. I am not saying not to bring them in but it should be in moderation. I remember one (which I will not mention) where the tour guide was recruited from Kenya. Since my son was interested in the same major he was in, we followed him. We could not understand his English well and he did not have any answers to major specific questions we had. </p>
<p>Regardless of the schools though, it is the idea that so many foreigners are coming here at the displacement of our own children’s education. Cultural/Social interaction is a wonderful thing but we have to put our own children’s education first. I remember reading an article a few years back that quoted the Dean of Admissions at Harvard saying that he could refill the incoming class three times over with the same caliber of students. That tells me that we have the talent here - let’s tap into it. That’s all I am saying.</p>
<p>International students make up a minority of any selective college’s enrollment. There are federal figures about that for all colleges. My experience in both my undergraduate college and my professional school is that the international students did more than their share to add to the educational experience of their schools. I learned from them, so I was glad I was in the same school with them.</p>
<p>there are currently 620,000 international students in this country. Which isnt bad when you consider America has 2/3 of all professors in the entire world. We have a disproportionate number of colleges and resources. As a global economy and political system, we need to give others opportunities. Todays college students will be the business and political leaders of the future. You don’t think an international that comes here for an education will be more understanding, more willing, and more apt to look at our country in a better light?</p>
<p>“Island”??? The fact that the article quotes an admissions director as referring to China as that alone is ridiculous. Like all washington post fare, this article is pretty biased.</p>
<p>^ That use of the word “island” is just an English idiom and should not be taken to show that the admission officers are unaware of the geography of China.</p>
<p>If you’re dissatisfied that foreign students are filling the campuses, consider foreign professors. The U.S.'s academia is sustained by the flux of foreigners. Also, as an international student I’m qualified to tell you how competitive the system is to get into U.S. schools. Many rejected applicants from China, South Korea, and Singapore have international recognizations in all areas not many Americans have even heard of. Bringing them to America is China’s misfortune, not yours</p>
<p>A lot of those Asian students are American citizens, often first or second generation, just like the children of all the other immigrants who came to these shores at one point or other.</p>
<p>^agree with poetsheart. A lot of the on campus population would be first or second generation, not fresh off the boat college students from Asia.</p>
<p>Furthermore, sadly, a lot of the asian kids are a LOT more qualified academically than their american counterparts. On the chinese college entrance exam, my mom told me she saw math that was on her GRE. Ridiculous huh?</p>
<p>well…I’m a Chinese international applying to American colleges…and I apply because I can not literally take part in the chinese college entrance exam…yes, I actually know quite a lot of kids who want to come to America colleges…it’s not about which country is BETTER, but which environment is better for you. And of course what you can get in to. My greatest strengths are ECs, and chinese colleges don’t really care about that…so I’d be probably at more advantage in the American pool anyway…</p>
<p>@tokenadult, you’re probably right–but idiom or not (and I should know, having grown up w/ stateside slang) I was just a bit angry at how the article attempted to boil down the experiences of a group of overseas students down to a generalization simply because they’re all Chinese. The phenomenon the article seeks to chronicle is of course, worth taking note of. But regardless–if there were a huge influx of European students coming into U.S. colleges, would similar articles be written? People need to get over their nativist fears. </p>
<p>& on a lighter note, mistyblue1993–best wishes for your college admissions process! =P</p>
OUR education system. I know the advantages of being in a city that is upper middle class and has the resources to educate us well. Unfortunately even within our high school there were a litany of teachers who were incompetent. I mean the best teachers were the AP teachers and the administration knew this which is why when our scores fell below a certain point, they took the AP teachers and forced them to take up regular students. I cant imagine what the teachers might be like in a district where there aren’t the resources to retain the best teachers. We can’t seem to educate our entire population. China has fewer teachers per student (it seems) and yet they’ve come up with a more effective education in some ways.
there is an incredible cultural difference. Chinese students go to school many more months out of the year than we do. There is mandatory Saturday school. Yeah. Putting in the hours makes a difference.
Also, I find this article very interesting: [Trying</a> to bridge the grade divide in L.A. schools - Los Angeles Times](<a href=“http://articles.latimes.com/2008/jul/16/local/me-lincoln16]Trying”>Trying to bridge the grade divide)
I feel like there’s the argument that there should be affirmative action essentially for American students. That’s always a touchy subject (affirmative action)</p>
<p>Why does it always have to be US v China?</p>
<p>Why does everyone insist that the US be the superpower of the world? Sure, there’s a sense of security there but I mean you don’t see the British quaking in their boots because they’re not the superpower of the world.</p>
<p>I hate the fact that there is such a resentful tone toward Chinese Americans or Chinese in general. We/they work hard to get where we/they are.</p>
<p>American Universities that are private should be equal opportunity right? That’s what our country is founded on. Equality.</p>
<p>The primary mission of the U.S. university system to educate American citizens. Educating international students is not a priority, and is mainly justified based on the 1) positive effects it has on the education of American citizens, who may not otherwise have a chance to live and interact with foreigners for prolonged periods, 2) potential benefit to the school’s stature in case the foreigner returns to his/her homeland and becomes internationally prominent. The American university system most assuredly does NOT exist to train the future leaders of the People’s Republic of China. </p>
<p>Given these considerations, the U.S. universities should continue to accept a small number of exceptional foreign students but should limit them to 5% of the class or less. In addition, no more than 0.5% of them should come from a single country, since the point is to expose Americans to a wide variety of foreign cultures and thoughts, not just one.</p>
<p>The American research universities exist only because of centuries of generosity from private American citizens and foundations and hundreds of billions of dollars invested annually by the U.S. government in the form of grants from the National Institutes of Health, the National Science Foundation, the Department of Defense, the Department of Energy, and numerous other governmental agencies. This money in turn comes from the American taxpayers. The American people do not part with 1/3 of their paycheck every month so that it can go towards educating foreigners, particularly the ones whose wet dream is to dethrone the U.S. as the leader of the world.</p>