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<p>Hey hey, no bashing here.</p>
<p>This is understandable. China has some wonderful institutions, but with their rapid expansion comes dilution in the quality of their education. They want there institutions to be top in every aspect, something American schools realize is not possible. If a Chinese student studies in a science or tech related field, I believe China has wonderful options. But when it comes to social sciences - bleh. You would be amazed at peoples reactions when you study psychology in America and go home and tell them your major. Many are stunned and intrigued because they do not have those opportunities. </p>
<p>Schools are actively recruiting in China, traveling a large portion during the summer to visit conferences and fairs that students attend after taking the gaokao. </p>
<p>I have a slightly different way of reaching out to Chinese students and will personally be visiting China this summer to give presentations on American schools. I have received many warm welcomes from International admissions directors, admissions counselors, etc. This just goes to reinforce the increased interest on both sides. After summer I, through the help of my colleague start giving presentations to local high schools about studies in China and the various grants and scholarships available.</p>
<p>I believe that we should not only be receiving internationals, we need to increase study abroad participation and the number of students we send for foreign degrees</p>
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<p>I think the leadership of China is also well aware that the man who started economic reform was educated overseas (Deng XiaoPing).</p>
<p>I’m not paranoid or misinformed or delusional or anything you liberals label me with. Its above your paygrade.</p>
<p>Its a KNOWN fact, in the intelligence community, that foreign governments send scores of “students” to study in the United States and send “research associates on exchange programs”. </p>
<p>Is it a high percentage of the total? Not really. But it does vary by country.</p>
<p>The Chinese Intelligence Service does not operate like ours. They regularly use ordinary chinese citizens to report information, gleaned legally or otherwise, on their host countries. </p>
<p>The vast majority of Chinese advancements in nuclear energy and nuclear weapons was obtained “illegally”, most of it in the United States. </p>
<p>Reverse engineering is a staple of Chinese manufacturing firms.</p>
<p>Yes they outnumber us. Their population is 1.3 BILLION. We are 330 Million. They would LOVE to send over millions of students to our country, instead of thousands. </p>
<p>I fully attest to the fact that Chinese students are often well behaved and put our college students to shame with study habits. </p>
<p>You can dismiss this commentary as political if you wish. At our demise.</p>
<p>How many Americans do the Chinese allow into their country on exchange programs? Not that many and when they are there, they are followed, recorded and prohibited from access to any sensitive information. Of course, its the same in Russia.</p>
<p>While China has morphed into a capitalist society, it is still a one party rule, ruled by devout Communists who control thought and expression.</p>
<p>They wish to dominate the world economically and inside Chinese documents indicate they believe they will surpass and succeed the United States as the Greatest Superpower in the World in very short order.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, while we purchase their goods (tennis shoes and Walmart products), they use the money to purchase US Treasury Bills as “investments” and have built up their military weaponry to levels never before seen. </p>
<p>Their intentions in Taiwan are very clear.</p>
<p>This is not a racial commentary or bigotry. Its just a statement of national security fact.</p>
<p>Personally, I feel that US colleges should be primarily filled with US students. When we give a slot to someone outside of the US rather than a US student who is fully qualified, I feel we do a disservice to our children. The college campus should be a reflection of the demographic make-up of our nation.</p>
<p>I fully agree, Armo. Most of these exchange programs were formulated following World War II. We also had a wide open policy, following the Arab Oil Embargo, of allowing arabs into the United States. Its good business for the colleges who collect the money and fill their coffers. </p>
<p>But it has backfired to a large extent.</p>
<p>I am not a xenophobic person. I support LIMITED exchanges. </p>
<p>And for the record some of our Western European Nation friends, members of NATO, have engaged in commercial and military espionage while “studying” in the United States. Fact.</p>
<p>The State Department supported a lot of these programs because of Pax Americana…believing we could instill our values and democracy on students who come here and return home. Some of that has been HIGHLY successful. Even in the volatile Middle East. Some of Saudi Arabia’s and Dubai’s most successful businessmen were educated in the United States. Jordan’s King Abdullah was educated in London.</p>
<p>So, yes, there are HUGE successes. But I am also warning of collosal failures and cases where unintended consequences occurred.</p>
<p>The Chinese Navy has sophisticated missile weaponry on their ships. It wasnt developed by them, it was stolen. From us.</p>
<p>As a side note, chinese college admissions are all based upon one test : “gao kao”. In other words, it’s like taking the SAT except it covers all the subject areas of school. Thus, it would make sense as to why a child would want to go to US - more “hollisitc”</p>
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You are paranoid, misinformed and a bit delusional. We’re not labeling you that because we’re liberal, because your post shows us that you are paranoid, misinformed and a bit delusional. From reading your post, your intelligence and common sense is below par than an adverage CC member.
I am not sure which intelligence community you are getting your info from, but I am sure that that “intelligence community” surely is a far right ultra conservative communtity, that many American who has reasonable common sense would never go there to get info from. Do you listen to Michael Salvage?</p>
<p>Those “professional students” that study in the US, if that even exist, they can get those info from the internet. They don’t need to come to the US to get those things, they can just get them off of Ebay or amazon. Professors lecture and they publish what they lecture in the form of books.
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<p>Did you know that only a fraction of the population in Asia with the highest IQ’s . . is greater than the total population of North America?</p>
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<p>How many students wish to study over seas in a still developing country? How many American students wish to learn a new language that is phonically, one of the worlds hardest? How many American students want to go to a country where the culture is totally different from their own? Answer: not many. </p>
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<p>I think many schools are looking for more then just MADE IN USA. They want the best of the best in the world. Not the best of the country. America IS a melting pot, and because of international contributions that some things are possible. If every student in the US have the same background, same culture, and same ideas, progress is not possible.</p>
<p>@ endlessrecession you are a xenophobic sinophobes.</p>
<p>@nirvanatear this tread was bounded for to be politcal thread by the 14th post.</p>
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<p>lol good job endlessrecession…i’m surprised you haven’t mentioned tibet yet=]</p>
<p>I think many schools are looking for more then just MADE IN USA. They want the best of the best in the world. Not the best of the country. America IS a melting pot, and because of international contributions that some things are possible. If every student in the US have the same background, same culture, and same ideas, progress is not possible.</p>
<p>Because America IS a melting pot, we already have diversity within our country which we should tap into for diversity on college campuses across out country. As I toured schools with my children, I could not help but see the same ethnic groups being represented on each campus. Since we have such a high Hispanic population in this country, it would seem logical that we would see this represented on each campus but we don’t. What I saw was a huge Asian population with a secondary Indian population on each campus. I am not saying that we should close our schools to international students but I do believe that a first generation student will bring just as much diversity onto a campus as an International will.</p>
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<p>Well, top schools seem to think it’s logical to admit the students with the best credentials…</p>
<p>So are you trying to say that we don’t have enough top students here in the US? I know of plenty of children in my school district who had the grades/Sat scores/Extra curricular activities/leadership roles/etc. who were denied by top schools. We don’t need to import them in from elsewhere.</p>
<p>The top students from China easily dominate the top students in the United States in preparation for college. The same is true in some other countries. In the United States, domestic students have a clear admission advantage (you could call it “affirmative action”) even compared to more qualified international students.</p>
<p>Even is this is true to a degree, shouldn’t we propel our own forward and give them the opportunity to succeed? I am only basing this on my own observations within the area that I live. Numerous highly qualified students were either waitlisted or declined from what I have seen.</p>
<p>I suspect the best Chinese students are probably the best in the world, as this Thai article seems to suggest: </p>
<p>[Bangkok</a> Post | Business news | The future may be Chinese](<a href=“http://www.bangkokpost.com/050908_Business/05Sep2008_biz34.php]Bangkok”>http://www.bangkokpost.com/050908_Business/05Sep2008_biz34.php)</p>
<p>It is this comment that I find “disturbing” for some reason:</p>
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<p>In terms of weapons, it is quite true that they have built up weapons to “levels never seen before”, at least in China. I do find it “heartening” that their focus is defensive in nature-nuclear subs and ICBMs come to mind. Recently, I heard that they are thinking about building an aircraft carrier, which is required to “project power” away from home. My suspicion is that this is simply a case of “big boys got to have their toys”. </p>
<p>The best way to give our own the opportunity to succeed is to implement a meritocracy, which our ruling class will never do. After all, they do want to pass power on to their offsprings, don’t they?</p>
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<p>What do those students do to show their high level of qualifications? </p>
<p>In general, I agree with the suggestion that the United States ought to do more to help young people growing up in the United States to succeed. That would start with further improvement in K-12 education. I can’t fault colleges for admitting the best applicants they can find, especially because United States colleges already strongly favor United States applicants.</p>
<p>“The best way to give our own the opportunity to succeed is to implement a meritocracy, which our ruling class will never do.”</p>
<p>I agree with you here. The best qualified should be admitted and not the ones with the connections. And as you stated, it should still be the “our own.”</p>
<p>The ones I am referring to are leaders in the community, scholar athletes, volunteers, mentors, etc. An example which comes in mind happened a few years back when the #3 ranked student in my duaghter’s class was not admitted into her first choice school (not an IVY). This young lady was a Junior Olympian swimmer, outstanding student, mentor and individual. </p>
<p>As for US schools favoring US apllicants, they should.</p>
<p>First, junior olympics for swimming means that the student is far from being competitive at the college level (for swimming). Secondly international students add to the diversity and experience of students. Third, it creates an understanding between ethnic cultures and countries that can help relations in the future. We are not a stand alone country. The interaction between students and internationals at the collegiate level will benefit our world economy and politics in the long term. </p>
<p>Stop being selfish</p>