UC and Cal State 2005 Admissions Stats

Parents Forum
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<p>From today's LA Times:<br>
(Interesting note: 10 Cal State campuses are still taking applications.)</p>

<p><a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/education/la-me-calcolleges23may23,1,1335170.story?coll=la-news-learning&ctrack=1&cset=true%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.latimes.com/news/education/la-me-calcolleges23may23,1,1335170.story?coll=la-news-learning&ctrack=1&cset=true&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Excerpt:</p>

<p>Numbering the Crush: Colleges Cull Applicants
Many apply but not quite so many are accepted at the UC and Cal State campuses. Demographic pressure may soon begin to ease.
By Larry Gordon
Times Staff Writer</p>

<p>May 23, 2005</p>

<p>The anxiety-provoking season of college applications and admissions is coming to a close for this year. Now, California's two public university systems — the University of California and the California State University — are tallying up how many freshmen will enroll in the fall. </p>

<p>Under the state's master plan for higher education, UC can admit students from the academic top eighth of high school graduates and Cal State from the top third. Those students are identified on a sliding scale of grades and standardized test scores, among other factors. But requirements can be much tougher at popular campuses, including UCLA and Cal Poly San Luis Obispo.</p>

<p>The two systems — nine UCs for undergraduates and 23 Cal States — have faced rising demographic pressure as the children of baby boomers started to attend college and as immigration to California has continued. The annual number of high school graduates across the country has grown about 20% since 1996 and is projected to rise 8% more by 2009, according to the National Center for Education Statistics....
(Full Text at Link)</p>

<p>(BEGIN TEXT OF INFOBOX)</p>

<p>Admissions odds</p>

<p>California's colleges and universities receive far more applications each year from prospective freshmen than they can accept. Here are the numbers for fall 2005:</p>

<p>University of California</p>

<p>Applications/Accepted </p>

<p>Berkeley 36,892/8,493
Davis 30,016/17,284
Irvine 34,441/19,798
Los Angeles 42,103/10,209
Merced 7,987/5,958
Riverside 18,982/13,978
San Diego 40,499/15,719
Santa Barbara 37,460/18,394
Santa Cruz 22,978/16,267 </p>

<p>Note: UC San Francisco does not have an undergraduate program.</p>

<p>--</p>

<p>Cal State (As of April 1)</p>

<p>Applications/Accepted </p>

<p>Bakersfield 4,697 *
Channel Islands 4,695/2,074
Chico 13,511/10,157
Dominguez Hills 9,186 *
Fresno 13,212/8,500
Fullerton** 25,278/15,060
East Bay 6,781 *
Humboldt 6,928 *
Long Beach 38,805/14,804
Los Angeles 17,082 *
Maritime Academy 1,080 *
Monterey Bay 6,161 *
Northridge 18,096/11,354
Pomona 17,224/12,289
Sacramento 15,394 *
San Bernardino 8,966 *
San Diego 37,762/16,500
San Francisco 22,241/14,831
San Jose 17,085/10,488
San Luis Obispo 23,627/10,460
San Marcos 6,545/2,778
Sonoma 9,959/5,834
Stanislaus 4,112 * </p>

<ul>
<li>Campus is still receiving freshman applications for fall 2005. </li>
</ul>

<p>** Openings remain in engineering and computer science.</p>

<p>Sources: California State University, University of California</p>

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<p>Well, so much for <em>my</em> sources, coureur. (Thanks for the UCLA correction!)</p>

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<p>Does anyone have in-state versus out-of-state data on these Cal state schools?</p>

<p>Thanks for any info you can provide!</p>

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<p>these data pretty much confirm the haves and have nots within both systems. it is well known that the UC system has a top tier of UCB, UCSD, UCLA, a middle tier of UCSB, UCD, and UCI, and the bottom three of UCR, UCSC and UCM.</p>

<p>we also can see the top half of the CSU closed for admissions, led by SLO, and the bottom half academically happy to take anybody with a pulse.</p>

<p>this distancing within the CSU will accentuate. SLO just completed a huge capital campaign around a quarter billion dollars, san diego state and pomona are making huge strides, and even chico and long beach are moving up.</p>

<p>many others, like dominguez hills and bakersfield, are looking at applicants all summer long.</p>

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<p>Acceptance percentages calculated from the numbers above:</p>

<p>Berkeley: 23%
Los Angeles: 24%
San Diego: 39%
Santa Barbara: 49%
Irvine: 57%
Davis: 58%
Santa Cruz: 71%
Riverside: 74%
Merced: 75%</p>

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<p>easy to understand why riverside with bad location and merced with bad location and newbie are at bottom but harder why santa cruz lags with its spectacular campus locale. apparently the advancement gurus have not raised the bucks to move it into the middle tier. the numbers clearly confirm the tiers.</p>

<p>on the CSU side the most selective schools are misleading because they are low density campuses with immature academic programs such as channel islands and san marcos wherein location is the draw.</p>

<p>bakersfield or stanislaus anyone? or the oil derricks around dominguez?</p>

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<p>IMO the reason why Santa Cruz has never been able to move into the middle tier despite its gorgeous location is that it can never quite shed its image as a Hippie-Dippy school.</p>

<p>It was founded as sort of an "alternative" UC. They were deliberately unorthodox. You could probably major in things like cosmic consciousness. The school didn't give grades but instead had evaluation narratives written by the profs for each student, which often made grad and professional schools adcoms scratch their heads. The faculty and/or student government used to indulge in nonsense such as voting in favor of removing the doors from the stalls in the bathrooms because this somehow reinforced oppressive cultural stereotypes (I'm not making this up). It was a great school for students who were looking for that sort of thing, but you can see why most "regular kids" would turn up their noses at UCSC.</p>

<p>Things are better today. You can get real grades. But it will still be a while before UCSC gets taken as seriously as the other UCs.</p>

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<p>LOL! had no idea about the bathroom stalls...presume the haight ashbury crowd just migrated a few miles south to santa cruz to continue flower power?</p>

<p>FYI, the mascot is the banana slug....that should explain this further!</p>

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<p>I thought it was interesting that applications to UCSB and UCSD outnumbered Berkeley. I would think with the out-of-state popularity Berkeley has, it would be higher. I also thought that it was interesting that UCSB is edging out Irvine and Davis by a fairly significant margin, though since the stats of the students is quite similar, maybe more people with low stats are applying to UCSB. I also remember reading that Davis had 4% less applicants this year compared to last year, so I think that may explain it's position now.</p>

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<p>Long Beach had an acceptance rate of 38%?? Wow, I had no idea they got that many applicants. Also, LongBeach, san diego state, and cal poly slo all had lower acceptance rates that the middle UC's. Interesting.</p>

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<p>Thanks coureur! What will be most telling, i should think, will be the number who matriculate over those admitted! should be interesting!</p>

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<p>My s loves it at UCSC. Going into his senior year. They have won many research awards, I was at the campus Saturday and it was sunny and warm. Tshirts and shorts weather. The students have been protesting the plans to increase tuition and enrollment without increasing dorm space or facilities. So the schools will just get more crowded. IMHO the UC's have all been taking a slide downward lately. The gem of Calif. is not what it once was. They need to restore the cuts made by Aunnuld the guvenator who spends precious little time in California actually governing.
Many here consider UCSC to be the hidden gem of the UC's. They have some wonderful profs, small college atmosphere. Most of S classes are taught by profs, then he attends sections in small groups for each class taught by teacher assistants. The negative is the food service was just taken over by the school and thewy have mandatory meal plans if your on campus, 1/3 of st pop. live on camp. The food is said to not be so great. As more apply to other UC's and don't get in, UCSC is getting more applications. Its a fun location, some kids take the shuttle into the bay area and connect to the rapid transit rail to get to Berkeley parties on weekends.
Another fun ritual is in the fall for first term students. On the first rain they strip and run through the woods. They also play the drums out in the woods at night too. You can be very intellectual at this school, as many in my s classes are including him, but they can destress and have fun too.</p>

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<p>My D was accepted to UCSD, CSUF (honors with $$$$) and SDSU (in addition to other schools including USC) but will be attending Northeastern
My Nephew was admitted to UCI, UCD, LBSU and CSUF but will be attending Bard
For a great many kids the local Cal States are their safety schools. CSUF has called as recently as last week to say "we will still take you even though you didn't send in your acceptance" A friend who is a Professor at CSUF told us they are actively trying to recruit the top tier kids but the atmosphere is not what my D wanted. I am a grad of Humbolt (BA and MA) in the 70's and loved the school, the college town etc.</p>

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<p>A prof at Cal State Hayward did a wonderful thing for a friend of my s. the friend was exceptionally talented musically, the prof contacted people at Loyola in New Orleans after heaqring him play and got him in there. He is now studying there and playing at a jazz club in New Orleans nights. He has been encouraged to go on to NY for a promising music career.</p>

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<p>fullerton is trying to copy long beach model of luring top tier kids but sadly is going overboard in the recruiting pitch. beach is popular because it's the only decent CSU west/southwest of downtown and has had a great leader who is retiring. i hear that santa cruz is moving up and no wonder with that locale.</p>