<p>^Why not? And how do you measure undergraduate programs? I understand it makes sense to evaluate graduate programs…but I see Emory as free. He’s taking loans of $4,000 dollars. Loans are probably the most scarriest thing for college students (At least in graduate school).
If this guy can afford the money, then of course I encourage him to go to Cal–its closer, and its arguably got more reputation (note, I don’t want to be in college vs college debate).
But I doubt the reputation factor makes much of difference in the undergraduate level. I hear people stress about with “Graduate” reputation. This young man seems very intelligent and promissing. I’m sure he’ll get into amazing grad schools. He can feel free to take loans then.</p>
<p>A plane trip is merely $100-$200. The OP will probably visit home around winter/spring/summer break only. Three breaks.
And I thought you couldn’t switch among colleges at Cal…or am I wrong? Can you switch to Haas from the CS dept?</p>
<p>The way I see it:
Choose Berkeley - (Fair undergrad prestige + Loans) = Possibly great grad school + more loans
Choose Emory - (Slightly lower undergrad prestige(?), private school + FREE) = Possiblly great grad school + loans</p>
<p>^ Look up round trip from SF or LA to Atlanta around Thanksgiving and Christmas time…my guess is more like $550-$650 round trip…and no loans for this…prob be put on a credit card at 20% interest.</p>
<p>$4,000 loan at 6-7% is a pittance. CS grads are in demand and that debt will be easily manageable.</p>
<p>^Interesting point about Haas switching. That’s really good. But I think Goizueta is good too. I’m not sure if the ranking difference is that significant.
But yes, Cal’s CS is very strong.</p>
<p>And measuring undergraduate programs…wow I see USNWR the only ranking guide that ranks individual depts for undergrad only. That’s interesting.</p>
<p>As for the round trip, I think you can get tickets 5-4 months in advance. My dad did that when I went to Duke. We had our schedule all mapped out for us so we knew exactly when my breaks started. We’ve always got our tickets around ~$200…Adn I never left for Thanksgiving–its only a 4 day holiday.</p>
<p>I guess you can argue both ways. I wonder what the OP is thinking now.</p>
<p>I think that’s even a generous figure. Last year’s data for Emory was even higher than this year’s. And I don’t see that changed in 3-4 years from now. lol or, I don’t see that will change a lot unless SV will be relocated in Atlanta, or Emory will all of a sudden be a favorite to SV HRDs.</p>
<p>Quote:
“If the OP will graduate from Emory, he will only make 47,900 per annum”</p>
<p>LOL - How much money an undergraduate can make total depends on the position He/she is able to get. Employers dont set the salary levels based on the colleges because it is obviously very stupid, right?</p>
Ah. I see. If it weren’t for the taking loans part the OP was talking about, I would have suggested Berkeley for his interests and goals.
Just saying, you can’t go wrong choosing Emory either.
Good luck!</p>
<p>Seriously what’s with all the Emory hate? It is so underrated on these forums. RML, give it a rest. We all know your Pro-Berkeley and anti-Emory stance… it’s getting old. For the last time, please PLEASE stop using the Pay Scale survey! No one except you takes it seriously.</p>
<p>Yes, Berkeley is better for CS… but for business, I wouldn’t be so sure to say that Haas is measurably better. BW ranks Goizueta higher I believe but USnews ranks Haas higher… they’re both very good. The OP wants to go to grad school and he/she needs to save as much money as possible and Emory is free. FREE. That is a top 15/top 20 school which is absolutely free. Can a deal get any better than that? </p>
<p>Emory’s endowment also owns Berekeley’s (Emory’s is double that of Berekeley’s). This is significant because, for undergrad, the extra resources will be very helpful. For small class sizes, it isn’t even close so I won’t bother… Emory handily wins in this group. </p>
<p>Also, let’s look at trends shall we? Over the past 20-30 years, Emory’s overall ranking has gone up 10-15 spots. On the other hand, Berkeley has fallen a lot (probably like 15-20 spots). Emory is the only top 20 university along with Rice to be on the USnews “schools on the rise” list. So RML if trends are so important, then this one is disastrous for Berkeley. Its ranking has been falling. Emory’s has been going up! Don’t you hate it when facts get in a way?</p>
<p>Once again, the OP is looking at grad schools. Emory’s name recognition is no longer regional like it was couple of decades ago… it is a very well respected university and its international name recognition has gone up tremendously over the last couple of years. The international population used to be in the single digits and now it’s 17%. That has to be the highest in its peer colleges group. Berkeley is mostly In-State students and it isn’t known for its diversity. Emory, on the other hand, is very diverse with ~50-55% of the population being non-white. Additionally, Emory is also more of a traditional college experience. If any of these factors are important to the OP, then he/she should look very closely at Emory. </p>
<p>I actually have great respect for Berkeley but in this case, Emory just makes sense. Once again, Emory is FREE! 0$That means you will graduate from one of the top universities in the US with NO debt AT ALL.</p>
<p>Alam,<br>
Just a few points for the record:</p>
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<li><p>Berkeley’s endowment may be smaller than Emory, but keep in mind, Berkeley still gets a significant portion of its annual operating budget from the state. Current budget proposal restores UC funding.</p></li>
<li><p>Berkeley is very diverse. California is the largest and most ethnically diverse state. It enrolls a very large percentage of Pell grantees…contributing to socioeconomic diversity. Berkeley is about 70 percent non-white. OOS enrollment is climbing…22% of incoming frosh class.</p></li>
<li><p>Regarding USNWR ranking, methodology has changed…early rankings were 100% peer assessment…Berkeley still is top 6 in this measure. Current rankings fluctuated between 19 and 25 based on current methodology…Berkeley has not fallen as you suggest.</p></li>
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<p>Those of you saying that emory is free and he should choose it for that reason are wrong. As UCBChem pointed out, the amount of money spent on travel will be close to the amount of debt he’ll pick up at cal. It really sounds like cal is where he wants to go, and especially for cs or business, you can’t go wrong. No disrespect to emory at all, its a fantastic school, just not the best choice for the OP</p>
<p>ucb,
Endowment size and per capita, as of 6/30/09, are:</p>
<p>$4.3 billion, $339k per capita for Emory
$5.7 billion, $161k per capita for UC Berkeley</p>
<p>Yes, the UCs do get state funding to supplement, but how much of this is getting down to things that actually benefit the average undergraduate student? Pick virtually any metric you like and Emory is likely to offer a more intimate, higher touch, more supportive environment and at least as high quality an education. </p>
<p>Re your comment on diversity, color of skin diversity is what UCB offers over Emory. If that’s what turns you on, then UCB and its Asian hordes (42% of undergrads) is perhaps the place for you. It is pretty surprising to me, however, that UCB only enrolls 4% blacks. So I guess it depends on what kind of diversity you want to measure. By contrast, Emory “only” enrolled 21% Asian and 7% black students last year. </p>
<p>As for geographic diversity, Emory enrolled 30% IS students and 7% non-US students. UCB, drawing from an admittedly huge population, enrolled 93% IS last year. I’ll wait to see the final figures on OOS enrollment for this fall before accepting the 20%+ projections. UCB enrolled 4% non-US students—given its brand overseas (especially in Asia) this is probably less than most folks would expect. </p>
<p>I point out all of the above out not to sway the OP to attend Emory (as stated earlier, my sense is he is a better fit at UC Berkeley), but rather to contrast the different environments and help readers appreciate some the many qualities/advantages of Emory. This is a very, very good school and closest peers would places like several non-HYP Ivies, Wash U, Johns Hopkins, etc.</p>
Hawkette, a large portion of a university’s endowment is derived from the university’s medical school. Berkeley doesn’t have a medical school while Emory does. So, I ask you, what portion of endowment spending at Emory is lavished on the average undergraduate student? </p>
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I agree. I think it’s mostly derived from Proposition 209…but that’s an entirely different discussion.</p>
<p>Hawkette your data is very outdated… as amadani pointed out, now the International population is at 17%! 50% of Emory admitted students are non-white so Emory also offers incredible diversity. Lastly, I don’t know where you got the 5.7 billion figure for UC Berkeley but their website says it is 2.3 billion and Emory’s is approx. 4.5 billion which is pretty much double. Now take into account that Berekeley is huge compared to Emory, the endowment per student is not even close. </p>
<p>Emory’s financial resources >> Berkeley’s financial resources. Simple as that. We’re dealing with facts here.</p>
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