UC Berkeley may be forced to admit 5100 fewer students

One might expect that there are a large number of California parents affected. Are they not politically powerful? Do CA politicians not need to worry about the suburban moms voting bloc?

Can you share the data source for that?

Not really, as the impact is only one-year (senior year admissions) and thus is muted. The upper middle class will just choose to send their kid OOS, to a similar academic school like Michigan, to neighboring publics (Oregons, Arizonas), or to desirable private colleges. Others will stay instate to attend Davis or Santa Barbara or even Riverside, and have a good experience. After the first semester, the angst with UC admissions is long gone. (And the politicos count on that.)

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The data illustrates the opposite. For the last decade or so, check out the area under the curve for in-state vs OOS.

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Not sure what you are trying to show, but data geeks know that Admit rate is not of much value in the college world. For example, in those lines, we have no way of knowing which applicants even met the minimum requirements for admissions. (Every year kids apply from OOS without the VAPA requirement, and thus maybe auto-rejected.) Or, what is the mean GPA of those applying? Was it 3.9 for instate but 3.6 for OOS, or vice versa? What is the a-g course load? Other admission priorities?

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The OOS and in-state are separate applicant pools. The OOS pool is comprised of primarily upper middle class applicants in great school districts with resources at disposal. No point comparing their GPA to in-state which is a way more heterogeneous populace. UCB knows this thatā€™s why they evaluate them separately in context.

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Yes, I understand they are separate pools. But unless you know the stats of those pools, and to which program(s) they applied to (College of Engineering?) the gross Admit rate is not of much value if claiming one is harder than the other. (see Simpsonā€™s Paradox.)

I donā€™t have to prove anything. Pretty obvious from that graph that admit rates for in-state has fallen rapidly since the 90s. OOS admit rates dramatically improved after the 2007 recession and the state after much wrangling is bringing it more in line with in-state. Are you going to argue that admissions have become easier for in-state residents? If not, that benefit has of course accrued to OOS students since this is a zero-sum game.

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You donā€™t know if the strength of applicant pools, choice of campuses and majors, etc. remained constant within each pool. In addition, it is not quite a zero sum game over time (although it is for any single year), since the number of applicants changes, as does the number of spaces in each campus and major, every year.

We are literally the most diverse state in the country. We donā€™t need to import diversity.

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Geographic diversity ??? :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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Most Diverse U.S. States

1. California

California is the most diverse U.S. state, with a score of 70.75. California ranks first for Cultural Diversity, having the highest linguistic diversity and the second-highest racial and ethnic diversity. California also ranks third for Socioeconomic Diversity, fifth for Household Diversity, and eighth for Political Diversity. California has the largest Hispanic population of any state, with over 15 million.

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Yup. Thereā€™s a great deal of that, both domestic and international.

You need kids from Jersey who can introduce Californians to Taylor ham. (Hope my daughter didnā€™t write her essay about this.)

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With the greatest respect, the major areas in CA, from what I know, are extremely used to both US and international diversity.

NYC, SF, SV, LA, etc are used to huge diversity.

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Just needs more diversity of students from other states .

Work with me people - humor!

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Yep 18%

How about 10%?

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Letā€™s move on from debating overall diversity by state please. And please be careful with political statements.

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North Carolina Limits OOS to 18%
Florida Limits OOS to 10% System wide Average

Hereā€™s two examples for California to Study