<p>Columbia’s ED number has increased by 1.3%, to 3126 totally, according to Columbia Spectator.
<a href=“http://www.columbiaspectator.com%5B/url%5D”>www.columbiaspectator.com</a></p>
<p>Here are some ED, EA, SCEA stats from last year.</p>
<p><a href=“https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?hl=en_US&hl=en_US&key=0ArlRBr9Qvz0mdFNZOE9BM3gtRHFnaExVNnpBcVM4SEE&output=html[/url]”>Early Admission - Google Drive;
<p>I bet Chicago will over-admit students for the third year in a row. The Admissions Office will claim it could not foresee another 5-6% jump in yield.</p>
<p>They need to use that waitlist.</p>
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<p>JHS,
I don’t think you can be certain one way or another. Note that EA pool is significantly larger than the ED pool for any given school and more applicants can translate to lower admit rate. Both the size and the yield can lower the admit rate; you just don’t know which one does more. Also, it is unclear if the overall yield is better with the EA or ED for any given school. The yield from EA, while not at the ED’s level, is better than RD. So EA helps the overall yield too and <em>may</em> even does so more effectively than ED, when the EA pool is large enough. Perhaps Jim Nondorf does care and he’s even more clever than you may think.</p>
<p>I have to point this out also because phuriku has gone around CC to bash Duke or Northwestern, claiming they play games to increase yield with ED while seemingly oblivious of how UChicago is playing the same game too, perhaps in an even more brilliant way. The only schools that are “clean” would be the ones without any kind of early acceptance.</p>
<p>I like EA</p>
<p>Let everyone who choose to apply even if they are unsure UChicago is their top choice.</p>
<p>UChicago, so far, has proven it can
- accept the ones that have highest affinity to the school, improving both yield and eventual student satisfaction
- improve the accepted student’s perception and warm feelings to the school through marketing and personal outreach</p>
<p>All because of marketing like a savvy credit card company! Shameful!</p>
<p>It isn’t marketing. It’s a bunch of high school students with inflated egos, obsessed with name recognition, who apply to the top ten schools from USNWR and pick the top one because they think it makes them somewhat of a better person.</p>
<p>If you are going to spend $60,000 a year in a college education, you have every right to pick the best school. It is not about egos or rankings. It is about reality and what a top university’s degree means in the world regarding employment, law school, etc. If you are going to buy a car, or a home you buy the best possible, the best return on investment. It is a simple as that. Stop attacking these universities credentials just because you can not get in one of them, or because they are rank better that the one you are in. That indeed will make you a better person.</p>
<p>A) I am currently in the process of applying to schools, UChicago included. So before you judge me and my intelligence or capability to get into top ranked schools, make sure you know whom you are talking to.</p>
<p>B) Chicago’s education has been just as excellent for the last few years, regardless of where they were on the USNWR rankings. Do you think it is a coincidence that this jump happened at the exact same time that they placed number 4? </p>
<p>C) Rankings are long bought and paid for, mind you, and are quite a lousy measure of how to measure the true academic capability of a school. In terms of universities, those that have a more undergraduate focus will have a lower ranking than those with large graduate numbers. With LACs, look at what happened to Reed once they decided that rankings were hurting the application process–they stopped sending scores and are now ranked in the 70s despite being one of the best LACs in the country. They were in the top ten or twenty before they got smart. However, despite their amazing education, they don’t get a lot of applicants. Why? No one reads to the 70s in the USNWR. However, if they were put in their rightful place in the top 15 or so, you’d see those apps skyrocket. That shouldn’t be. That is not education. That is business.</p>
<p>well argued, hevydevy, well argued.</p>
<p>My kid is a very happy and proud UCHICAGO Class of 2016, She was admitted too others top universities in the world,including two in England, She is fluent in 3 languages, was National Merit Finalist as Presidential Scholar finalist… She pick UCHICAGO after visiting 5 others universities because it was a perfect fit for her. Not because rankings or her ego. In your prior post you stated that kids were applying to this schools because a ego, rankings and thinking that going there will made a better person. That is wrong as it is simplistic and not realistic. And, yes, education is a business , it is an investment in ones future . So stop generalizing and downgrading kids that CAN pick among the best universities Good luck in your college search.</p>
<p>So you don’t think it’s odd that UChicago received a near 20% rise in EA applications the year they jumped up in the rankings?</p>
<p>It’s the same type of thought process that yields students applying to all eight Ivies plus MIT, Caltech, and Stanford. Education has become a game of who can go to the better school with the better name recognition or the better ranking. Students no longer care about fit. It’s all about “Where am I on USNWR’s ranking?” </p>
<p>I mean, really? Ivy+? Are you kidding me? I’m applying to Brown ED. Could I apply to Harvard or Yale or Princeton or Stanford? Sure. Would I get in? Perhaps. Can you look me in the face and tell me that Harvard is so much better than Brown that those who go to Brown are obviously less intelligent than those who go to Harvard. Of course not. I’m applying to Brown for, guess what, fit! Such an antiquated notion, no?</p>
<p>I’m not denying that UChicago is an excellent school. It is. It is also not any better now that it is ranked among HYPSMC. It’s just sad that a school that prides itself on living the “Life of the Mind” is slowly turning away from that mantra into the black hole of “pre-professionalism”, mostly because of an influx in students focused on making as much money as possible out of college. The interest in academia or increasing one’s worldliness seems to be slowly dying in a large part of the student body.</p>
<p>For anybody reading this, if on the unfortunate chance you get denied from UChicago because of the influx of students who care more about rankings than fit and education, I really do recommend Reed College. Same type of interest in academia. Same type of quirk. It’s just pretty small (1400). </p>
<p>What ever happened to going to a school because you liked what they had to offer in terms of education?</p>
<p>@hevydevy:</p>
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<p>Regarding fit, I don’t think fit is too big of an issue for 18 year olds, given how adaptable they are. For the most part, I think people make too big of a deal about the different atmospheres at these schools.</p>
<p>Prestige, ranking universities do matter a lot in terms of university selections. Often times, their prestige for high selectivity and rigorous academic courses do shine in employment market as well as attracting interviewers from various firms to their universities. Some students want to study in Ivy league due to prestige, future high income, academic rigor, experience or perhaps studying at a place full of brightest minds across the world. In my 4 years of high school experience, almost everyone except about 10 students out of class of 130, was quite ignorant not only in academic term, but also in social or controversial issues that I couldn’t even talk to them apart from ‘game’ topics or other fun-pursuing topics. As long as students do not chose to apply to universities solely based on prestige and prospective income, you cannot, and should not criticize applicants for their ‘inflated ego’. It is very natural for applicants to be attracted to universities that would do the best to fulfill their appreciated values.</p>
<p>One should, of course, care about the money one will make after college, but it seems to me that a growing number of students are thinking “I just guaranteed myself a 6 figure salary for the rest of my life” instead of “I’ll be around smart people, great professors and I’ll get a great education.”</p>
<p>I also have no problem with students applying to Ivy League schools for the academic atmosphere and peers, but what really is the point of applying to all eight, especially considering they are vastly different from each other when you come down to it. At that point, it seems to me, students are just interested in saying “Hey, I go to an Ivy.”</p>
<p>But all eight are awesome, even if different. They, and all of the top 20 colleges (and others), have markers on them that everyone seems to know about, that say “Intelligent, Cool, Passionate Kids Come Here.”</p>
<p>In the end, it’s this marker that provides all the important benefits of going to a prestigious college.</p>
<p>“In the end, it’s this marker that provides all the important benefits of going to a prestigious college.”</p>
<p>Gladwell could not have said it better himself re buying a college = buying a prestige fragrance.</p>
<p>[Getting</a> In : The New Yorker](<a href=“http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2005/10/10/051010crat_atlarge]Getting”>Getting In | The New Yorker)</p>
<p>Yes, I see no point of applying to 8 Ivys. For me I only applied to 3 Ivys and 2 extra Ivy plus universities. It is ridiculous how some students apply to all 8 in order to be pretentious saying, ‘I go to an Ivy univ’. But I doubt if any student like such would get in. I’m quite confident that admission officers are educated and keen enough to recognize those students through essays etc. Despite some students, often Asian in my experience, wants to attend Ivy just for sake of the prestige, I’ve hardly seen any students ‘hey I’m going to Ivy school and probably gonna get a fine job with high salary rite after the graduation!’.</p>
<p>“What ever happened to going to a school because you liked what they had to offer in terms of education?”</p>
<p>It died back in the late 1970’s. LAC’s also used to be much more popular then.</p>
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<p>You misinterpreted me. While that’s one of the benefits of going to a prestigious college, the other derived from the marker is the sort of students the marker attracts. Prestigious colleges and selective admissions practices brings these awesome kids together.</p>