UCLA or University of Washington? (Cognitive Science and HCDE)

Hi guys please help me,

I was accepted into UW and UCLA. I want to go into UX Design and Research. University of Washington has the perfect major for it (human centered design and engineering) but the admissions rates are super low… about 20%. While UCLA offers something quite similar cognitive science and I can easily get in (i’ll be moving over from neuroscience). UW is in state for me while UCLA is out of state (mean 120k in loans).

Should I save the money and take the risk of not getting into my major at UW? Or should I take on the loans?

Please help decisions are due May 1st!!!

Hey, UX research is my field! I would say that HCDE and cognitive science are really not that similar. Human-centered design is based on principles that come from cognitive psychology/cognitive science, but they’re still different. Since HCDE at UW is an engineering program, you’re going to blend psychology, engineering, and computer science (and a bit of art) to learn about designing systems used by humans. You’ll actually learn the engineering and software development part, and you’ll learn about tools that are very specific to HCI and UX research and design: prototyping, usability, UI design, data visualization, working on tech teams, etc. It’s a really cool but quite specialized program.

Cognitive science is broader - it’s a blend of psychology, computer science, linguistics, neuroscience, and often other fields like philosophy and anthropology or biology and chemistry - it really depends on the combination of classes you take. It’s not specifically focused on user design and research, though, unless your school has some specialized classes and you can build your own concentration. It’s much broader, and can be useful for a lot of things. It’s still a really cool major and still very good, excellent preparation for a UX career (most UX researchers/designers didn’t necessarily study that specifically in undergrad; it’s not a very common major. My BA is in psychology, and my PhD is actually in health psychology.)

BUT I just re-read your post and realized that UCLA would mean $120K in loans. Definitely do not do that! Go to UW! If you don’t get into HCDE there are lots of other majors that would work for a career in UX: psychology, applied computation and mathematical sciences (the social and behavioral sciences track), interaction design, maybe informatics or industrial design. Or you could design your own major that’s basically cognitive science with heavy influence from HCDE and interaction design.

Do not take $120,000 in debt for undergraduate.

However, you need to make backup plans (settle for another major or transfer to another school) in case you become part of the majority of HCDE aspirants who are weeded out at Washington.

@juillet is informatics a good back up? I can’t tell if it will look good to employers. (I plan on double majoring in psychology anyways at UW which does crank up the price a little) Also what do you mean by designing my own major? like could I create a cognitive science at UW?

@ucbalumnus any ideas of what a backup could be. with a 20% admissions rate for the major i need a solid backup :////

for UX everyone says I do not need a masters and within 5 years can be making nearly 100k… do you guys still think that I should ditch the loans?

It depends on what kind of UX you go into. If you want to go into UX research as the person designing the research, you absolutely will need a master’s. Most UX/usability researchers have a master’s or a PhD in human-computer interaction, computer science, psychology, sociology or some other related field.

If you have a master’s or a PhD you can make $100K within 5-10 years of work as a UX researcher. It depends on what companies you work for and what kind of work you do. User researchers at big companies (Google, Facebook, Microsoft, Uber, Apple, Sony, etc.) can make $100K+ to start off, usually as a PhD graduate or an MS with a few years of research experience. Otherwise you can get there after a couple of years and maybe some lateral or upward moves between companies.

If you go into UX/UI design as a software developer - yes, you could potentially make $100K right off the bat or within 5 years with a BS at some companies (especially the big tech companies, but even some startups and smaller companies could pay that much - and you could make more at the very top ones).

I still think you should avoid the loans. One, because you could change your mind. Two, because you will probably need a master’s degree, and you’ll have to borrow for that. Three, because even if you don’t, change your mind, there’s no guarantee you’ll be offered a job that pays that much - and you want to give yourself the flexibility to choose what you want when you get offers. Let’s, for example, say you get two offers: one at a company that needs UX on a business-to-business customer relationship management (CRM) system that will pay you $100K, and another at a company that needs UX on video games that will pay you $85K. Maybe you’d rather go into the games industry! Or maybe the job that pays more has terrible benefits, is in an undesirable location, or has a bad work/life balance. You don’t want to push yourself to the very max.

And fourth, because UW is an excellent university and there’s absolutely no reason to go into six-figure debt at UCLA when you have another great option on the table.

Yes, especially with a psychology double major. Employers don’t just look at the name of the major; they are interested in what you have learned. Here’s how UW describes informatics:

*[Informatics students’] passion for analyzing and solving problems is reflected in the creativity they bring to the design and creation of information systems, user interfaces, mobile technologies and social media…In the Informatics program, students learn how to design and build systems that are effective and easy to use…The Informatics major was designed to be conceptual and practical, academic and professional, and focused on the human and humanistic dimensions of the design and use of information systems. *

That’s pretty much what UX and user-centered design is all about. I work in a UX org within a large tech company and we actually just hired an information scientist into the org not that long ago. With the appropriate statistics/math classes, an informatics/psychology double major can turn into a data science career, and there you really can make $100K pretty fast (although you’ll still want a master’s).

Yep.

[url=http://depts.washington.edu/istudies/student_designed/]UW Design your own major

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http://www.washington.edu/uaa/advising/academic-planning/majors-and-minors/list-of-undergraduate-majors/ lists UW majors. Unfortunately, other possible majors for your goal like psychology, informatics, industrial design, and interaction design are all competitive admission majors. You may want to research how competitive they are.

For the design-your-own-major, you may want to find out how difficult it will be to enroll in courses that are normally for competitive admission majors like psychology, computer science, etc… These majors are competitive admission because of capacity limitations, so getting into their courses as a non-major can be difficult.

^ Have you tried getting into their courses as a non-major?