UCLA vs. Berkeley : Social Scene?

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CAL = anti social noobs that tried really hard in high school and continue to have no lives in college

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<p>you must be hanging out with the wrong crowd if you're attend berkeley.</p>

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Berkeley? Seedy area and your only options to party are at the frats, which are lame and juvenile for the most part. Many of the best parties are busted by cops (some ratted out by resentful male students who can't even get into the frats, due to low guy/girl ratio). Some parties are ghetto as hell, seedy and sketchy beyond comprehension.

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<p>i gotta agree on this. afghan is pretty much on point here, especially on the part about guys who can't get into frats cause of low guy/girl ratio. </p>

<p>I have to admit that UCLA has a way better social scene than Berkeley but it doesn't mean the social scene in berkeley sucks. But if the social scene matters more to you, then go to UCLA</p>

<p>adding onto what afghan said</p>

<p>yes the quality of asian girls at berkeley is definitely much higher than the quality of caucasian girls here...i think this might be due to the fact that--GENERALLY speaking--the higher a caucasian girl is on the academic ladder, the lower she is on the hottness ladder...but this is not the case for asians because--again, GENERALLY speaking--there is no distinct relationship between academic ability and looks since academics is so heavily stressed in the asian culture whether you are hot or not.........................thus, at berkeley (which tends to hold the academically talented) the hot caucasian girl percentage is lower than that would be found in the female caucasian population as a whole, while the percentage of hot asian girls is probably equal to the percentage found in the asian girl population</p>

<p>Basically,</p>

<p>UCLA Asian girls > Berkeley Asian girls > Berkeley white girls.</p>

<p>And I also have to second the shady frats here, especially the Asian frats. They're really sketch sometimes...there are plenty of good frats though.</p>

<p>VICISSITUDES where have you been?!
you were my go-to guy when i was lost about being admitted for spring last year, and it seems like you're not as accessible for this year's spring admits as you were for my round
well...your thread will still live on forever. even though it seems like a lot of people on here can't seem to find it somehow</p>

<p>Look, I'm gonna tell it to you how it is. And this is coming from someone who has done his fair share of partying throughout the past few years.</p>

<p>Berkeley....well, first off I have to start by saying that its an amazing place. There's so much going on at all times that its almost overwhelming. Whether you're into organized dance groups (of all persuasions...hip-hop, swing, etc..), slam poetry, cultural organizations/events, hippie smoke-sessions and protests, co-op extravaganzas....its all happening, every weekend, at the same time. </p>

<p>The key is to actively seek it out. There are many people that take advantage of the myriad things to do at Berkeley (and mind you, all of the activities I mentioned make up Berkeley's "social scene"- its not just about partying). But at the same time, there are many that don't take advantage of what's offered and they end up...well, unhappy.</p>

<p>Take me for example:</p>

<p>My first year I did the typical dorm-room shuffle, sneaking in alcohol into my room to have a few drinks with friends, crashing frat parties every weekend, etc etc...</p>

<p>My second year I moved into an apartment with three friends from my dorm building (Norton Hall-Unit 3 for those keeping score...BEST building on campus!!! woot woot!). Anyway, it took a while to get used to the apartment life, you feel MUCH more isolated, you don't have the lounges to hang out anymore, don't have the luxury of strolling into your best friends room at 3 in the morning to play super smash bros. Soooo, you wind up making the most of it (i.e. finding a friend who is over 21 to buy you a ton of booze, and you gradually drink it with your other roommates and whoever happens to drop by). The cool thing about second year is that not only are YOU living in an apartment, but your friends are as well. Sooo, you get to not only enjoy the frat parties every Thursday, Friday, Saturday night. But you can also go to your friends (and friends of friends) apartments and feel special partying there. The first few times you go to apartment mixers you feel all grown up, and I feel that this is a very important part of the Cal experience, hahaha.</p>

<p>2nd year is also the year that you discover Co-Ops, as a few of your more liberal friends have surely skipped the apartment life for a life of...well, I shouldn't pass judgment. Everyone has a different opinion on what Co-Ops are like, find out for yourself. Anyway....I have to admit, I had a LOT of fun at Co-Ops 2nd year, so definitely make sure you have some friends who live in Co-Ops. </p>

<p>Anyway, by third year you're feeling very jaded. Very. Trust me. Sure, its good to be back from school after a summer of (whatever amazing thing you did over summer), but you soon realize that not only are your classes harder, but you don't like many of the things you liked before. Scariest of all: you HATE frat parties.</p>

<p>I dunno if its just me, but I can't step into a fraternity anymore without feeling...old. The girls all look like they're barely 16, or are the hardcore girls who have burned out and look like they're 46. 2-3 years of hard partying at frats definitely takes a toll on ones body, girls especially, so if you run into any 3rd-4th year girls at fraternities....well, lets just say that you won't mistake them for freshmen. </p>

<p>But, aha, there is a savior. In your third year, just as you are ready to give up on this "social scene" you discover the magnificent wonders that come with hitting the big TWO ONE! 21 baby, champagne falls from the heavens, confetti bursts from every corner. YOU ARE AN ADULT! The first thing that happens when you turn 21 is people hand you flowers and beer, things become easier to bare, and you return to your freshman year bliss. </p>

<p>You start frequenting Bears Lair (if you are a disillusioned ex-fraternity frequenter who wants to maintain some of that same atmosphere while feeling a bit more mature). I have to admit, Bears Lair is just good ol' fashioned raunchy fun that you won't find anywhere else (well, perhaps Kip's, but Kip's is a whole other topic). Bears Lair is everyones favorite guilty pleasure, no one likes admitting they go there, but on Friday at 5 oclock they are always loyally there, celebrating the wonders of "Beat the Clock". (no, I will not tell you what beat the clock is, you have to find out for yourself).</p>

<p>Without going into too many details about the other bars that offer a wonderful respite from the fraternity scene, you have Becketts (a wonderful Irish bar on Shattuck that is one of my favorites), Kip's (its a Berkeley institution, the place to be on Thursday nights), Blake's (never liked Blake's, but they have live performances every once in a while), The Down Low (Salsa dancing every Wednesday night, live performers on weekends), Triple Rock (for the sophisticated yet very frat-like MBAs...its cool cause they have good beer here that they brew themselves), The Graduate (down on College Ave...its actually my favorite bar in berkeley...cheap drinks, GREAT crowd), that cool pool hall on Shattuck and Dwight that I forget the name of...good liquor selection, but a bit overpriced...annndd last but not least, you have Jupiter's (great pizza, no hard alcohol, fun place to go with friends for a not-so serious night out).</p>

<p>Aside from Berkeley bars though, the Berkeley "social scene" extends to San Francisco, where there are A MILLION great night clubs, bars, and anything else you want in between. There are always world-famous DJs spinning at the local clubs (David Guetta, Benny Benassi, etc...) It's not too hard to get in, so that's cool. There are a lot of cool hipster joints to go to if thats your thing. There are also a lot of good bands playing at all kinds of venues across Berkeley/SF, so if this is your mix then thats cool too.</p>

<p>But yea, going back to the main point of this long winded post (there's a reason this post is long, I want you newbies to make an informed decision on what you're getting yourselves into), there are differences between the social scene at Berkeley and UCLA. Quite simply, if going to really chic and hip parties is your thing- then UCLA is your place.</p>

<p>BUTTT< ask yourselves, fellow nerds, are you really all that cool to get into those chic parties? Were you the toast of your high school, throwing wild keggers? No? Then what makes you think that you're suddenly cool enough to be allowed into these fancy-shmancy parties that you currently envision yourselves going to? Also, do you really have the dough it takes to get into the ultra-hip LA night scene? Not only does it take a huge cover charge, bribing the bouncer, getting on the guest list, having a sweet ass ride (because admit it, you're not gonna pull in front of the club where Paris Hilton parties in your parents station wagon), and the bankroll to buy 12-20 dollar drinks. You got all that? Cause if you do...then by all means, go to LA. </p>

<p>LA is LA baby, a town where money is an afterthought...as another member stated, "you're right in the middle of Beverly Hills, baby".....and while that may be true, whats also true is that you're a broke ass college student. </p>

<p>Now I'm not saying that SF is radically different from the LA night scene, but there's much less of an attitude, its less show-offy and much more laid back.</p>

<p>Plus: one of the most important differences when comparing the social scenes is quite often forgotten- GAMEDAY. Gamedays at Cal are amazing (if you're into that sort of thing). Wake up early, attend a barbeque, drink beer to your hearts content, then WALK to the stadium, jump around till you get dizzy cause you're under the sun for hours while also drunk....then head home for a quick nap before you start partying again.</p>

<p>At UCLA, you have to DRIVE FOR AT LEAST AN HOUR to get to "your" football stadium....you have to wait an hour to get into the parking lot, and then another hour to get out. Drive ANOTHER hour back to UCLA...and then realize that all your friends went home cause they live in LA and want their mommy to do their laundry for them.</p>

<p>Talk to your friends at UCLA, kiddies. How many of them are really living the wham-bam-glam life that you envision? </p>

<p>Side note: a good way to avoid the third-year jaded college student saga is to study abroad. Highly recommended. Even though I did not do this, I'm currently living at the International House, which is in my opinion the best place to live in Berkeley (apartments, fraternities, dorms, co-ops included). I-House= THE BEST!</p>

<p>But yea, I'm gonna stop for now. Correct me if I'm wrong about anything I wrote...but please, lets try and be civil. I have much love for UCLA, I've hung out there quite a bit and would have had just a good a time had I gone there. BUTTT, I'm really happy with my decision to go to Cal.</p>

<p>(P.S. I'm currently a 3rd year at Berkeley....to avoid questions from ppl asking what year am I)</p>

<p>anywho, fire away with comments/criticism/questions. I'm all ears.</p>

<p>^ Really enjoyed reading your post. I'm a current student and it gave me some insight. Thanks.</p>

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Anyone who tells you the social scenes at Berkeley and UCLA are comparable is kidding himself. UCLA is pretty much IN Beverly Hills and has access to all the chic hangouts LA has to offer. You're not limited to UCLA students either; you have Loyola, Occidental, and USC people to mingle with as well, not to mention Beverly's local hotties (in addition to hotties in West LA, West Hollywood, etc.). </p>

<p>Berkeley? Seedy area and your only options to party are at the frats, which are lame and juvenile for the most part. Many of the best parties are busted by cops (some ratted out by resentful male students who can't even get into the frats, due to low guy/girl ratio). Some parties are ghetto as hell, seedy and sketchy beyond comprehension. You'll feel like you're in the movie Menace II Society real quick.</p>

<p>UCLA has more social options in and beyond campus, Berkeley is limited to frat parties which are for the most part lame. Dissenters are mostly Berkeley trolls who try to overcompensate for Berkeley's grave problems. And I go to Berkeley, btw. HTH.

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way to make me NOT want to go...</p>

<p>btw, slicmlic2001, i really enjoyed your post. thanks.</p>

<p>Thank you slicmlic2001 =)</p>

<p>Amazing post, slicmlic2001!
That's going to help me make a better decision too.</p>

<p>aw shoot slicmlic2001 your post just reminded of an email for 08-09 football tickets i got a while back and completely forgot about</p>

<p>does anyone know if tickets are still available? is it possible to just get them next fall or do i have to get them in advance</p>

<p>well,well,well...I do have to say that I'm encouraged with the positive feedback that I've gotten so far about my post. sooooo, since I have nothing better to do I'm going to elaborate SOME MORE (sure, two papers and a midterm this Monday, but that's not IMPORTANT, right?) hahahah- STOP THE PRESSES! :)</p>

<p>re-reading my last post, I noticed that I glossed over your most important year in college: your FIRST. thats right, i said it, your first year is the most important (well...when discussing social life). when you find yourself a college veteran of 3 or 4 years, you're not going to be looking back at your SECOND year, talking about all the good memories you've made. you're going to be talking about that night freshman year when you and your buddies (for some reason or other) thought it would be a good idea to take the 800 Bus to San Francisco to hang out at some late-night diner. Or that time you and your buddies stumble in drunk from a frat party where none of you got any action, and thought that the perfect ending to a lousy night would be to grab a cab and head to the 24-hour Denny's in El Cerrito. Or that time you and your boys DID manage to get some at/after a frat party....but the next day it turned out that it was the girl(s) who lived down the hall...so it became really weird between everyone for a while. Or that time you and your friends got stranded in Milbrae because you were visiting your goody-two-shoes friend who got into Stanford and you managed to miss the last BART ride home....so you had to wait all night in a diner for the BART to start back up again at 6 AM the next day. Ahhh, freshman year was great. </p>

<p>You see that? Those were memories. Good memories. Fond memories. Innocent memories. And they weren't about second year. Second year you worry about the lame roomy whose friends always raid your fridge. Or about that roomy who never pays his share of the rent on time. Or the roomy who never chips in for beer money but is always the drunkest when it comes down to party. Yea, thats second year. (Note: none of these scenarios necessarily reflect experiences that I have personally had, they are just some examples that come to mind). Hehe, just in case any of my former roomys are reading this, I wanna cover my behind.</p>

<p>Anyway, freshman year is important because it sets the tone for the next few years. Now, don't worry if you hate Cal the first few weeks and it isn't the beer swilling, endless fornication that you thought it would be. Give it time. But put yourself out there, try new experiences. Do things you would never ordinarily do before. Cut class. Pull an all-nighter that doesn't involve any schoolwork. Get drunk on a weekday. (Hahaha, I hope nobodies parents, especially mine, are reading this).</p>

<p>So yea, freshman year- its important. Have a good time. You only get to experience freshman year once, so do it right. If you have any questions about how to do freshman year right, PM me and I'll send you some suggestions that aren't kosher for the viewing public, hahaha.</p>

<p>But yea, the Social Scene at Berkeley is what you make of it. There's plenty to do- always. Just make sure to not take yourself too seriously and you'll have a great time. </p>

<p>I'll elaborate more on the greatness of Ihouse in my next post.</p>

<p>Given that a majorly idiotic generalization has come up, I feel obliged to correct it.</p>

<p>Caucasian does not equal white
Caucasian does not equal European
South Asians are Asians and are generally Caucasian (some are Paleomongoloids, some are Australoid)</p>

<p>Asian does not equal East Asian exclusively, if you're using the word like that you're using it WRONG
Asian does not equal Mongoloid either.</p>

<p>alright calm down there haha...to clear things up, in my post i was using my terms how the general public would use them. by caucasian i was implying white (incorrectly so, according to the post above) and by asian i was implying east asian (korean, vietnamese, chinese, japanese, etc.)...im guessing vicissitudes was implying the same things in his post</p>