I saw this posted over in the UCLA forum. I’m passing it along.
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That’s only applicable to L&S students. UCLA engineers are guaranteed classes as long as it’s needed for graduation.
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What if you want to minor (or double major) in something besides engineering?
@shushiritto
My initial take shouldn’t have involved you in my post #13. When one addresses the OP, there isn’t any directional response referenced to anyone at the top right. But my post was in fact directed to @GPLove because of the things he (presumably wrt gender) said in his first post.
CPSLO alums or their parents are often homers as I am towards UCLA, and there seem to be right around commit season those propping SLO at the expense of UCLA or other UCs. I don’t have any issue with it, but I will give an answer if I have a chance.
These include the OP in his OP and @eyemgh at other times, but I don’t have anything against either, especially the latter because he states things in the affirmative for SLO, and doesn’t really get into denigrating other schools (UCs). And I do enjoy his posts, and i was hoping that he wasn’t banned and am glad he’s still here.
I only mentioned you in the first bullet because you understated UCLA’s endowment, which you used in comparison to UMich’s later on in your post #7. I had no intention of mentioning that or anything else that you wrote, until your post in #20, which was unabated garbage.
Here’s what you quoted me as stating:
SLO is undoubtedly more of a STEM campus,
And here’s what you stated:
UCLA doesn’t have an undergraduate business school. SLO does, it’s called the Orfalea College of Business. So, if the OP’s son decided to double major, aero and business, he could at SLO.
To answer you in your first sentence, UCLA does very well in placing undergrads at firms in all sectors without a full undergrad bus major, and their educations are heavily quant-based, stats, math, etc. But to answer your second sentence, UCLA also has a technology management concentration in engineering which students can take with their E degree.
You quoted me in the following in bold:
Absolutely, SLO is more teaching oriented and UCLA more research based, which means that professors are trying to prop their departments at the latter by producing paper, and therefore, classes aren’t broken as much into lecture sections as at the former – I believe community college is the prime example of high {student : faculty, edit as in ratio} but really small classes; i.e., they are fully teacher-based. Depending on the major, of course, UCLA would rather have fewer lectures, whereas SLO probably breaks things into more smaller ones, but that can be deceiving because the same professor could be leading 3-5 smaller lectures at SLO, and at UCLA there {would be} only one or two.
To which you state:
So, you’re speculating.
This is terribly disingenuous. I’d be appreciative if you would frame the quote which you attributed to me, so I wouldn’t have to look it up. But it’s true though, it doesn’t matter what the student:faculty ratio is, if they break lectures into smaller groups by having more of them, it gives the illusion of giving more personal attention, to which I gave an example of community college. They don’t do that as much at more research-based institutions, including the Ivy League.
You quote me as stating from one of my bullets:
In further answer to the previous bullet, UCLA is by far one of the most preprofessional universities in the nation, and it produces probably the most no. of MDs in the nation with > 500 attending medical school in the US/year, as well as probably the most attorneys.
Then you state:
None of this matters to the discussion about aero engineering. More UCLA hype.
Then you go into tangents yourself with references to Chip Kelly etc., in your following posts. The reason why I mentioned the above was because UCLA is absolutely one of the most pre-professional universities in the country.
But in full context it should state the following:
{Edit 2, added bullet} @goosenaround in your post no. 5 to which you @GPlove assented in your no. 6, there’s a specific demographic in which these surveys took place, and don’t include the campuses as a whole. The dem would be those of lower socioeconomic background, and those who attend UCLA among this background don’t really have the full array of majors like CS and engineering, because they don’t have the science background at their underfunded high schools.
In further answer to the previous bullet, UCLA is by far one of the most preprofessional universities in the nation, and it produces probably the most no. of MDs in the nation with > 500 attending medical school in the US/year, as well as probably the most attorneys. {Edit 2} And a lot of these are 1st-gen students whose familial dream is for them to be MDs, so there’s a lot of drive for them to persevere, including being accustomed to college. So consequently, those who’ve studied {edit 1} as undergrads in premed do things like medical transcribing subsequent to graduating while preparing to apply to med school, and prelaw students {will often} take lesser paying jobs to prep for L-school. Overall, after 10 years, UCLA graduates make more income than SLO’s {edit 2} and also after five, but less of a material difference at that point. And income does depend on one’s location in CA, as the Bay’s {industries} pay the higher salaries by a good amount over those industries in So Cal, which is attributable to COL and specifically housing prices.
It is in answer to post #5 as to why some UCLA grads don’t necessarily get paid well after they graduate, and therefore make less than a typical engineering grad.
I know that you and I have had some disagreements in the past, some of it was undoubtedly about football, but you were also the one who was always propping UMich on the UC boards. I wasn’t against this – the mods were apparently – but I was going to counter you when you needed to be put in your place. 
I disagree @Snowynyc. Undoubtedly UCLA is in a wealthier area of Los Angeles, but there are more livable places around in LA county. Stanford is in one of the wealthiest areas in the US and it pervades the whole are of Silicon and is seeping into the East Bay, as well as has been present in Marin.
Because of this, UCLA pays its faculty the highest among all public universities, and it also ranks about 9th among all, among the elites, and Stanford is the tops. I wouldn’t think, e.g., that Duke would have to be top-tier in its locale.
10s can answer, but there are some CS majors who double across colleges with things like Neuroscience. As I mentioned a couple of posts back, UCLA has a technology management concentration. They can go for a five-year MS, but they need something like a 3.5.
It is not obvious, but the numbers in @goosenaround 's post are the ones specific to bachelor’s degree graduates in aerospace engineering at each school (other information: CPSLO had 98 graduates with $22,407 median debt, while UCLA had 38 graduates with $16,286 median debt). These numbers from College Scorecard are for students who received federal financial aid (College Navigator’s count of graduates in aerospace engineering at each school suggests that these represent most of the students in the major at each school).
I stand corrected; @goosenaround mentioned them as being as though these were the full array of majors for those of lower socioeconomic background, as also seen by the “All Fields of Study” quote.
Your posts are so long-winded it’s difficult to respond succinctly, but I’ll try.
Thank you for calling my Post #20 “garbage.” I’ll take that as a compliment, because as they say, “it takes one to know one.” 
You accused someone here of “hyping” SLO at this time every year, you quoted me, and I responded. And it’s ironic, because you’re hyping UCLA in your responses.
In your earlier post, you stated that SLO was “STEM-focused.” I mentioned they have a great business school, which UCLA doesn’t have, and they also have a wonderful Ag program. So, I disagree with your opinion that SLO is STEM-focused.
You used the word “probably,” in one of your responses. That denotes to me that your guessing at something having to do with SLO. If you don’t know something about SLO, then personally, I wouldn’t guess.
I quote when and how I feel like it. If you have to review your post in order to respond to my post, I say that’s not my problem.
The UCLA football and Chip Kelly “tangent” was between me and @10s4life. We enjoyed a joke together. Get a sense of humor, if you can’t understand it. 
I’m done responding to you here, because ToS states I get one response back and then I/we move on. Arguments aren’t allowed.
Next time read my post in full instead of rehashing what I addressed. Gracious…
Those classes aren’t guaranteed but most students don’t minor or double major in the engineering school. We have a technical breadth where you must choose a concentration outside of your major. There are some non engineering options like premed, technology management, engineering sciences (basically physics and/or math), and nanoscience just to name a few. that usually takes care of student’s itch to minor.
Minors also mean nothing to industry.
@sushiritto @firmament2x I think one of you might have already said this but I am going to step in and remind everyone of the TOS on CC. Please no debates or arguing, its okay to go back and forth but not when there’s some personal attacks mixed in.
Bottom line is Slo and UCLA are both fantastic schools and have their pros and cons. Lets stick with the original intent the OP wanted the thread to be: what are their differences. Which doesn’t necessarily make one better or worse.
Also @firmament2x just to let you know, I wasn’t offended by the Chip Kelly reference. A little banter is all in good fun. Have a good night everyone.
@ucbalumnus, I wanted to address some of the things about @goosenaround 's post number 5, the salary information from the Department of Education, in which it provided information of those whom it funded. Again, @GPlove assented to this being in the thread he generated.
@goosenaround’s post about salary information stated:
Consider this but take it with a grain of salt. The median annual earnings of students two years after graduation:
Cal Poly-$76,460 School - All Fields of Study | College Scorecard
UCLA-$60,072 School - All Fields of Study | College Scorecard
Correct me if I’m wrong, but the UC states that ~50% of its undergraduates attend its nine undergrad colleges at effectively Ø tuition. You quoted some ancillary information from the site that the CPSLO students referenced had average indebtedness of ~ $22k, and UCLA’s had ~ $16k. I’m sure that this is fairly typical of all students, but I don’t think this belies the fact that the $16k for UCLA wasn’t tuition. There are students who might even be on work-study, who eventually take out loans on various living expenses, etc., but I don’t think a cent of this is on educational costs, tuition/fees whatever.
And this survey might also be over > 1 year for all those included if I remember correctly, or say, a five-year accumulation. And also, I’m not sure how timely the information is. Any corrections, thoughts?
Just as an explanation, @10s4life , and I do appreciate your work immensely. . . there were no ad hominem references. I stated that @sushiritto 's post number no. 20 was “unabated garbage,” which it was. I’m not appreciative of people taking my posts out of context, to use the way they wish, to affirm the things they believe, and to accuse me of things they do themselves.
Further in repeating to show that my post was on point, I stated in my post with bullets that “{Edit 2, added bullet} @goosenaround in your post no. 5 to which you @GPlove assented in your no. 6,…”
“goosenaround” was the one who posted salary information as I quoted above.
This became my ins, my authority, since it seemed to be all inclusive two-year post-grad salary, to go into tangential points about UCLA, when I stated that those who were premed and prelaw often took lesser-paying jobs to prep for taking the entry tests and completing applications to med and law school (or actually any grad school – because UCLA Is preprofessional and generally grad school in orientation.
And I never once stated that sushiritto’s mentioning of Chip Kelly was an offense to anyone. I just called him out for going into tangential references as he did me.
Keep up the great work!