UCLA vs. Michigan

College Search & Selection
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<p>Sorry, forgot to follow your post. I was so intent on answering the post that questioned my geography awareness, that I almost forgot that you answered wrt visiting each campus.</p>

<p>Glad you saw both, and glad for your sake that you can feel at home and be comfortable on both campuses.</p>

<p>If you were to decide on UCLA, be sure to join some group on campus: fraternity/sorority, premed society, study-oriented, whatever. </p>

<p>You’d be studying a lot, because psych/pre-med is a very competitve major on campus, but be sure to get out to the beach, westward; go visit the strip, eastward, and have some fun. </p>

<p>Really soak in LA, and CA in general if you can venture with your friends out of the area. Go on roadies with friends, etc. Go see UCLA fb play Cal and Stanford at their stadia: one year, UCLA would be a home against Cal and on the road against Stanford, and the next the series would switch to road/home against both respective.</p>

<p>If you love skiing, I’m sure you do, you can venture to the San Bernadino mountains with your friends and get some of you fill of it, probably not all, though.</p>

<p>And if you love it in LA and CA, you might want to be a professional out here and even attend med school at one of the great eight or so great schools they have out here, including UCLA Med.</p>

<p>Best of luck, no wrong choices here…</p>

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<p>Those are two excellent schools with varrying cultures and located in very different settings. Go for fit.</p>

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<p>Sorry drax. Sarcasm is often lost online. :-)</p>

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<p>Michigan is a flagship campus. UCLA is not.</p>

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<p>In academic way, I support Michigan</p>

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<p>UCLA wins in term of campus beauty, weather, hot ppl, location, popularity, admission difficulty, and arguably international reputation.</p>

<p>Michigan wins in term of…well, it’s the flagship campus of Michigan.</p>

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<p>(no problem, rjkofnovi…) </p>

<p>People want that all important ‘flagship’ affiliation, lol.</p>

<p>Actually if it were elsewhere, I could see that: </p>

<p>UT, Austin v UT, Dallas, although one could undoubtedly gain a great education at the latter.</p>

<p>UNC, Chapel Hill v UNC, Charlotte, similarly here as above for Charlotte.</p>

<p>But the UC has a lot of great campuses, with each its own culture. UCLA is vastly different from Berkeley, which is different from UCSB, which is different from UCSC, which is different from UCSD…</p>

<p>All the campuses do produce a large and wide array of professionals, artists, etc.</p>

<p>Usually there’s a large gap in perception of rep between the flagship and the other campuses, but this isn’t true wrt UCB and the rest, including UCLA, UCSD, UCI, UCSB, etc. </p>

<p>One can be an MD, an atty, a business exec just as well by attending one of the other non-flagship campuses. </p>

<p>UCLA typically leads the nation in apps to med school in any particular year. The acceptance rate by any of the CA universities, inc Stanford, into med school will not be as high as a good school in other parts of the country, but that’s because the appointments to med school are harder to achieve to the respective med schools in CA, which are targeted by CA university undergrads.</p>

<p>In fact, because of the difficulty of attaining med school appts to any the CA med schools is so tough, most UCLA grads will attend grad school outside of CA. This might be a good situation for the OP.</p>

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<p>"…ACADEMICS. That’s all.</p>

<p>And for this, its reputation among ACADEMICS (along with its international reputation) has always been better. Just look at the peer assessment scores."</p>

<p>Maybe now. But UCLA’s academic is catching up and it might be better than Michigan in 5 years. =)</p>

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<p>…ACADEMICS. That’s all. </p>

<p>And for this, its reputation among ACADEMICS (along with its international reputation) has always been better. Just look at the peer assessment scores.</p>

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<p>I wouldn’t count on it, if the current budget crisis in CA continues…</p>

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<p>UCLA’s making up whatever shortfall there might be by taking in more non-CA residents, added to the increase in tution of 30% systemwide.</p>

<p>It sounds to me as though the OP wants something different in undergrad unversity. If he/she (I don’t know if this has been established) goes to Michigan, he/she won’t be stepping out of that very cold box. Going to UCLA will be outside of the box and into some very nice weather, scenery, happenings.</p>

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<p>drax, try posting some objective posts or at least back up your claims with some evidence. Sure, you can post subjective post, but no one will take you seriously. You claim that people are on to me. Guess what, I could care less. For every person like you that calls me a ■■■■■, there are five people messaging me to thank me for debunking the UCLA boosterism on CC. </p>

<p>Anyways…</p>

<p>Go to Michigan it’s truly an amazing university in an amazing town. Do you plan on moving back NJ? If so, I would choose UMich because their alumni have more success on the east coast. While UCLA is strong in the Pacific Rim. Try to plan out your long-term goals (beyond formal education) and analyze which university will best assist you in achieving those goals. Best of luck.</p>

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UCLA is not more selective. Let’s look at the numbers:</p>

<p>UCLA
SAT(98% reporting): 1170-1410
ACT(47% reporting): 24-31</p>

<p>CR>700: 20%
M>700: 37%
WR>700: 28%</p>

<p>Michigan
SAT(36% reporting): 1230-1430
ACT(80% reporting): 27-31</p>

<p>CR>700: 24%
M>700: 47%
WR>700: 28%</p>

<p>Top 10% rank in HS:
UCLA - 97%
Michigan - 92%</p>

<p>UCLA has a significantly lower acceptance rate … but that’s largely because of the UC common application. Anyone applying to the ‘less selective’ UC’s can apply to UCB and UCLA with no extra effort. The fact that California has almost 4 times the population also helps.</p>

<p>USNWR has UCLA and Michigan dead even in Selectivity Rank (24th). I think that’s about right.</p>

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<p>“UCLA wins in term of campus beauty, weather, hot ppl, location, popularity, admission difficulty, and arguably international reputation.”</p>

<p>Confusedboy, you really are confused!</p>

<p>Beauty is obviously in the eye of the beholder, but I think both campuses are really nice. </p>

<p>UCLA does admittedly have better weather, but the change of the seasons holds its own appeal.</p>

<p>UCLA is indeed more popular thanks to its location. Being a public university in a state with a population of 35,000,000 doesn’t hurt, nor does being a popular school in the PacRim area.</p>

<p>UCLA does not win in having “hot people”, although I will agree that tanned people wearing shorts and t-shirts look better than pale people wearing down coats and boots! </p>

<p>UCLA is not more difficult to get into if the applicant is qualified. Michigan and UCLA has similar quality student bodies.</p>

<p>UCLA’s international reputation may be slightly better than Michigan’s in Asia, but Michigan’s reputation in Europe and the Middle East exceeds UCLA’s. Overall, both have very strong international reputations.</p>

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<p>Regarding international reputation, my experience is that Michigan is quite a bit stronger in academia and in the business world. Perhaps you can show a source that says otherwise.</p>

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UCLA’s reputation is not better in Asia, at least not in academia/business. UCLA may be more popular among Asian high school students, if that’s what you meant.</p>

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<p>“UCLA’s reputation is not better in Asia, at least not in academia/business. UCLA may be more popular among Asian high school students, if that’s what you meant.”</p>

<p>That exactly what I meant GoBlue. I was referring to the masses, not the educated elite.</p>

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<p>Bayboi wanted some evidence. I’m not sure what he wanted, but if its apps to med school, here it is: [Table</a> 2: Undergraduate Institutions Supplying Applicants to U.S. Medical Schools, by Applicant Race and Ethnicity - FACTS - AAMC](<a href=“http://www.aamc.org/data/facts/applicantmatriculant/table2-race.htm]Table”>http://www.aamc.org/data/facts/applicantmatriculant/table2-race.htm).</p>

<p>If bayboi wanted evidence that UCLA is taking more non-CA residents, the admssion numbers show this:</p>

<p>Accepted Applicants to frosh standing:</p>

<p>CA Residents: 76%
Non-CA Residents: 24%</p>

<p>So hopefully Nhk51192, you’ll feel more at home. This trend of accepting more non-CA residents will continue.</p>

<p>By all means go to where you think you will fit best.</p>

<p>Sorry this had to bleed into your thread, and ignore the rest of this post if you need. But this is for those who are not aware of bayboi’s purpose in life. </p>

<p>This guy bayboi’s existence is solely to post anti-UCLA flames, and is admittedly ‘a ■■■■■,’ lol.</p>

<p>In a way it’s not coincidence, but there are Berkeley students that have very large chips on their shoulders. I don’t know what it is, but persons of other Pac-10 schools have noticed it too. This guy Bayboi is certainly one. My coterie isn’t the only one who has independently stated such.</p>

<p>And when Princeton Review put out a dream college/university list, recently I believe, it listed UCLA 7th. Berk wasn’t on the list, and when this list was posted on a UCLA message board, here came the interlopers like bayboi, and UCBchem-eng, etc.</p>

<p>Bayboi: </p>

<p>I’d appreciate a response to that post in which I answered yours, in that thread started by the OP known as “Kamilah.”</p>

<p>Part of is, you’re a hit-and-run artist, and you have some sort of complex deformity. And the next time you post, you may want, likewise, to show some support.</p>

<p>Goodness, even some of your fellow Berkeleyites abhor you.</p>

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<p>Alexandre:</p>

<p>You don’t think the students at UCLA are ‘hotter’? I detect a satirical tone, but I wasn’t sure. :wink: But just in case, you prolly haven’t been on campus enough to see those beautiful warm days in which the coeds – don’t know if OP is male or female --are showing off their warm-weather fashion turning the walk into a catwalk. </p>

<p>UCLA isn’t all Asian, and walking up or down Bruin Walk on those special days would show forth. There are hot coeds of all races at the school. Asians do well in frosh admissions; whites better in xfering in, including from all over the world including Europe. Expect more internationals in the future for budgetary concerns.</p>

<p>And since race might be hinted at here, be mindful that whites tend towards north campus; Asians toward south campus. But I hope neither of you GoBlue or Alexandre were hinting such.</p>

<p>Because of its rep as the quintessential CA university, UCLA has gained international notice. I don’t care if its non-academics, whatever works for the pub is a good thing in my eyes.</p>

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This is good info. Do you know the target % of out-of-state students in the enrolled class?</p>

<p>UCB has made a similar announcement - “out-of-state students will comprise 18.5 percent of next year’s freshman class, up from 8 percent last year. The percentage of international student acceptances also climbed, to 8.3 percent from 5.7 percent.” [UC</a> Berkeley acceptances from outside California hit record high - San Jose Mercury News](<a href=“UC Berkeley acceptances from outside California hit record high – The Mercury News”>UC Berkeley acceptances from outside California hit record high – The Mercury News)</p>

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<p>And Alexandre:</p>

<p>Do you really think Michigan’s rep exceeds UCLA’s in the Middle East? I would think a good qty of the nation of Iran if they were free to do so, would enroll at UCLA. UCLA has a lot of Persians, a lot of Arabs in general, as well as Jewish students. (Everyone gets along well, don’t worry.)</p>

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<p>GoBlue:</p>

<p>The yield for non-CA residents would undoubtedly be lower (than) those from CA. I didn’t read the article, but if it didn’t show, UCB accepted around 26% N-CA and 74% CA. Another article in LA Times said Berk was targeting around 20%, a bit different from the 18% you stated.</p>

<p>UCLA consequently would be targeting, seemingly, < 20%, again, because of the lower yield of non-CA residents.</p>