UCLA vs SAIC??

<p>Hi everyone! I have a pretty big dilemma that I need some advice with.</p>

<p>Well, I've been accepted to both UCLA and SAIC, which are both very, very highly ranked art schools. And I'm incredibly grateful :)</p>

<p>But there are a few things I need to work out.</p>

<p>For one, I'm a person with a lot of curiosity. I love learning, and I love education and knowledge. I know that if I got to UCLA, I would be able to double major in Art and Psychology (what I had originally gotten in for), but it would be very hard work, and I'd be far away from home (Minnesota).</p>

<p>However, SAIC is closer to home in Chicago. Its art programs are higher accredited than those of UCLA, though I won't be able to take classes on science or math or even psychology. And I love those things. But I love the city environment of Chicago; UCLA is too chill for me, and, from what I've seen so far, though I could be wrong, California isn't as much as a hub for artists as big cities like New York or Chicago are.</p>

<p>I know that I can probably learn psychology on the side, but it wouldn't be the same, and I'd also like to just have that degree to prove to myself that I'm not just an artist. UCLA has much more prestige overall, but SAIC is known internationally as one of the top art schools. SAIC is closer to home, and I'd really like to stay close for the sake of a relationship (I'm a sap, sorry). Both are equally expensive (very very expensive).</p>

<p>Basically, I'd love being able to learn at UCLA more, but I'd love the environment way more at SAIC.</p>

<p>What do you guys think? Has anyone else had this experience before? Thanks for reading, and I hope you guys can help me out, even if you're not interest in art :)</p>

<p>anyyyyyone?</p>

<p>If you are 100% committed to becoming a studio artist and love Chicago, SAIC sounds good for you. Terrific program. If you cannot say you are driven only to work in art, find ways to support yourself so you can work on your art, and live the life 24/7 of an artist, you should think carefully. UCLA will offer you great art instruction, plus the chance to discover further which career paths will serve you best in the future. If you love Psychology and would enjoy a full college campus experience, UCLA is an amazing choice. Plus, once you get on a plane, the difference between attending a school in Chi-town vs. L.A. is maybe a few hours more by air. </p>

<p>Best of luck. You have great opportunities.</p>

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<p>wow, thanks for your reply! (And you, message person.) Now I suppose my concern will be about the environment. I know the UCLA campus is very college-like, but I don’t know much about the SAIC campus. It sounds like you’ve been there; could you give me a subjective analysis of the campus? :slight_smile: thanks!</p>

<p>If you haven’t visited, you really should. There is a huge difference between the two. SAIC doesn’t have a campus, but is in several office buildings spread out over many streets in downtown Chicago. I haven’t been inside the buildings. If you can’t visit, you should really study YouTube videos, the maps on the school’s websites, etc. Chicago is a great town. But this is an un-campus. There is no comparison in size and atmosphere, too. You should visit!</p>

<p>ahhhh I can’t visit I don’t have any time :frowning: But I’ll be sure to research both hardcore. Thanks so much!</p>

<p>SAIC has their classes in several buildings in the middle of downtown Chicago, in very close proximity to State Street and Michigan Ave, right near the Art Institute museum. The dorms are in high rises buildings and were amazing. Beautiful views of downtown Chicago (at least the one they showed us). We saw some of the classrooms that were OK, but at one point we were told only seniors could have a studio, maybe that has changed now, that everyone had to cart their stuff back and forth.</p>

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<p>Did you get into the UCLA art major? (confused about psychology or art)
Because it’s really quite difficult to get into UCLA for art. (below 10%) SAIC on the other hand, accepts like 70%. </p>

<p>Personally, I Just know that if you go to UCLA and regret it, it’s much easier to transfer to SAIC than the other way round. I wasn’t aware of how much prestige UCLA art had, but a student from the top art school in the states told me he’d go to UCLA had he been accepted, and that it was better than MICA, which I personally think to be better than SAIC. (The school - not the environment though!) </p>

<p>I’m also a nerdy art person :P</p>

<p>Haha I got into UCLA for psychology. It’s THAT hard to get into the art department??? Well, I looked at the school, and it says that I can transfer my major by second quarter, which I’m actually completely fine with (I love psychology!!). I think that once I’m in the actual school, though, becoming an art major will be much easier to attain.</p>

<p>So, I think I’ve made my final decision on UCLA. And here are my reasons.</p>

<p>-UCLA has a BEAUTIFUL campus. Seriously. Google it. It’s a typical academic atmosphere, and I’ve always wanted to experience that kind of thing. I mean, I love the city, but close-knit academia is nice too!
-I love psychology and math and writing and anatomy and I don’t know if I’ll be able to give those things up in college. UCLA will offer me so many more opportunities in fields other than art.
-And taking field other than art helps artists…Artists don’t draw about art. Artists draw about the world around them, and like writers, take everything around them and incorporate it into their art.
-My parents will be happier…? (though this isn’t really a reason lol)</p>

<p>Thanks everyone for your help! :)</p>

<p>Well, I think you’ve chosen but I could tell you a lot about Chicago because I live extremely close to it and I know the city/the art world in the city very well. By the way, the art world is entirely centered around SAIC… Literally. I don’t know if you want more info but I’ll give you some if you do!</p>

<p>haha no go ahead that post was mostly to convince myself. I’d LOVE to hear more about SAIC’s perspective!!</p>

<p>Ok, so I’ll give you some more info about Chicago/SAIC.</p>

<p>I have known/met many many people who have gone there because I live in the area. If you have a strong interest in conceptual art, I really recommend it. From what you have said, you sound like you have a very strong academic side too- and there’s a degree there called Visual and Critical studies which would really give you strong academics. What’s great about that degree is that you can pair it with a Fine Arts degree, so that your art is inspired by your humanities studies in the Visual and Critical studies department. The downside is that it takes longer to complete, but in my opinion it seems to be a very rich degree. Here is the description of it (from their tumblr) “The Visual & Critical Studies (VCS) program at the School of the Art Institute of Chicago (SAIC) is designed for students interested in the scholarly and creative investigation of the production, dissemination, and impact of visual images, objects, experiences, and practices. With the visual as a starting point, students use multiple methods of critical investigation to study the interactions between visual phenomena and their historical, disciplinary, and social contexts. Our explorations use a diverse set of fields, including history; performance; art history; film, video and new media; visual communication design; sociology; political science; sculpture; anthropology; and literature, among others.”</p>

<p>Sounds interesting, right? It’s actually more selective too than their BFA program, and much smaller I think… </p>

<p>ANYHOW- onto SAIC’s role in the art world/ Chicago’s art world. While we’re not NYC or something, we do have a very good art scene here. I work at the Museum of Contemporary Art which is an absolutely phenomenal conceptual art museum. It’s small, but pretty large considering it’s only contemporary art that is almost all conceptual. The curatorial department right now is really doing great things. One of the staff members who runs the program I am in graduated from SAIC, and many other staff members have besides that. SAIC students get into the MCA for free, and it’s really only a bus ride away from the school. It’s free on tuesdays, is open super late then, and has really regular hours in general. They have really great performances, artist residences, etc as well, which are really inspiring. Many artists who we(the teen program I’m in) have collaborated with have graduated or are associated with the museum. Cheryl Pope, an artist we worked with, happens to work for Nick Cave, who teaches at SAIC and is well known in the art world for his soundsuits. Right now Martin Creed is doing a residency there, and he is not from Chicago but his work is super fun so if you went to SAIC next year, you could still get a glimpse of that…</p>

<p>ONTO THE GENERAL ART WORLD!</p>

<p>We have this wonderful district called the “West Loop” which is where many galleries are. Of course, galleries are generally commercial, but the art in these galleries is still really interesting. My favorite however, is “three walls” which is an experimental, non commercial gallery which has a lot of very intellectual and interesting work. I think there is an experimental workspace/workspaces popping up in Bridgeport, and I know there are lots of those sorts of places in Wicker Park too. </p>

<p>SAIC requires that all teachers are working artists- and they all are in Chicago. I’ve thus far met sculpture, screenprinting and Fashion teachers at the school. There’s a really cool artist too, who is VERY supported by the city of Chicago named Theaster Gates. His life is his art in many ways, and he creates art spaces in the worst areas of the city for African Americans. Truly a great and very nice person(who the mayor really likes). There are so many resources for you to get inspired in a place with such diversity in population. </p>

<p>SAIC really has great facilities, an amazing dorm space, and it is LITERALLY in the central district of the city called “The Loop”. While they don’t have like a “set campus” the buildings of the school are in the best spots, really safe areas(well except at 2am, but anywhere is questionable then). There are lots of student galleries too in the area. Also, if you are doing the Visual and Critical studies or art history major at SAIC, I think you have access to the archives at the museum!! If you wanted an internship too at the MCA or AIC I’m sure it would be quite easy to get it. </p>

<p>This message is very out of order, but I’m remembering a trip to the west loop galleries a few months ago. One of the gallery workers had specifically told us that the person on display was his friend at SAIC who he recommended to his owner. It’s really about the connections you make and where you want to go with that. One of the alumni from Visual and Critical studies even has his own gallery now, he literally started it in school,pretty impressive!(it’s called LVL3 gallery).</p>

<p>AND ONE LAST THING-
While I 100000000% agree you NEED intellectual backup to make intelligent work(if that is your goal) going to art school is VERY much essential if you are looking to make POST MODERN work. You will be SURROUNDED by it in Chicago and they give you LOTS OF SPACE to make installation, video, new media and VERY LARGE SCALE WORK. You MAY or may not be able to do that at UCLA(also you would have to balance it with regular coursework). One of the curators at the MCA (Naomi Beckwith) had once mentioned to our teen group that " if you want to be an artist, go to art school, it’s worth the investment." You would really be surrounded NOT JUST by the students, but by faculty, and ultimately, the art world of Chicago. SAIC will give you a lot of room to experiment and grow, and while at first it might seem that there are many kids who don’t care, as you go on and people drop out it would get better, and it’s what you make of it. If you choose to do the dual degree, or simply take VCS coursework, you will find you have intellectual stimulation alongside production of work.</p>

<p>OK -the monster of this message is done. There’s probably more, but that’s all for now.</p>

<p>All I have to say is do what feels right. If what I said makes you think “WOW SAIC” or the other way around, do that. You don’t want to make the wrong decision.</p>

<p>god damn it now I’m back in the middle
thanks SO MUCH for all the information!!! Now I’m seriously considering SAIC. UHGHGH</p>

<p>BUT THANKS A TON REALLY</p>

<p>Sure! If you want more specifics on any part of the message I will elaborate! :slight_smile: I suggest you look through courses offered for VCS though!</p>

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<p>It sounds to me like you have a lot of interests in life. UCLA would let you explore a lot of them. I don’t know what you envision for a career, but five or ten years from now, you could surprise yourself by finding a way to combine a bunch of them (psychologist using art therapy? artist or media producer of some kind using that psychology knowledge?). UCLA gives you the chance to hone skills and learn in a lot of different directions. And the nice thing is that after you graduate, here in California you will be labeled “top notch” for life, because you have gone to the most competitive college in the state. Won’t even matter what you major in - your resume will say B.A. UCLA 2016, and it will open all kinds of doors.</p>

<p>I have lived in both So-Cal and the midwest, and well, let’s just say if you were picking by the weather… Chicago does have more of a concentrated “downtown” to it, but LA and surroundings make up the biggest urban area in the US. It’s spread out and “chill” but full of smart, ambitious, driven people and there are so many great things to do! Besides the beaches, you can get an annual pass to any amusement park for dirt cheap and hang out at Universal or Disney when you are bored. I am a little biased - I loved southern California, and I just went down there with my daughter to do her admission interview/audition for the School of Art and Architecture. We were pretty impressed by the people and atmosphere. If you have lots of passions but no specific plans, it’s a great place to be (although the out of state tuition is incredibly expensive, something to consider).</p>

<p>On the other hand, if you know pretty exactly what you want to study and do for a career, and you think the other school can help you more, given that high tuition price, maybe you should think about Chicago, especially if it works out to be more reasonable.</p>

<p>Nice thing is that if you aren’t happy where you choose, you can probably transfer, although getting into UCLA is actually pretty tough and you might not be able to pull it off again. My daughter’s friend (SAT 2380, 4.6 weighted GPA) didn’t get in, nor did many others we know with excellent stats. Whether you decide to go there or not, you should be proud of your acceptance!</p>

<p>I don’t know that much about SAIC besides that its graduate program is sooo much better than its undergrad. However, following norcalgal46’s post - that’s the biggest thing. If you pick SAIC, there’s probably no turning back. If you pick UCLA, SAIC is always an option. I just don’t like having so many GenEds but I keep hearing good things about UCLA art.</p>

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<p>I applied to both UCLA and SAIC and got accepted to both.</p>

<p>i picked ucla for two reasons:</p>

<p>the faculty</p>

<p>the art scene</p>

<p>the art faculty at ucla is a very VERY big deal. Not to detract from SAIC which has a lot of talented up and coming artists who are really only known within art communities. UCLA on the other hand has historical names who have already established themselves and are in history books: barbara kruger, mary kelly, charles ray, andrea fraser, catherine opie, james welling, paul mccarthy, chris burden, and john baldessari. The latter three are retired now but that’s just to give you an idea of the extent of their influence and the type of people ucla employs.</p>

<p>the art scene in l.a. is a mixed bag but the galleries are interesting while the museums are limited, there are really only two LACMA AND MOCA. however, both museums are pretty influential and the galleries show amazing artists, the only sucky thing is that because l.a. is so spread out the galleries are scattered but the community is lively, interesting, and close-knit.</p>

<p>Ultimately you need to decide what kind of art you want to make and who you would like to learn from. look at the faculty at both schools, look at their work, does it interest you? what is it about? can you relate to it? etc…good LUCK!</p>