@PurpleTitan “^ Lots of UMich grads will end up there too.”
ill-informed comment. Over 5% of UMich is from CA, only 6-7% move to CA after graduation. in other words, it’s mostly kids returning home. CA kids come in knowing each other from high school, join all the same frats and sororities, OP’s kid will have little chance of an ‘in’ with very many, if any, CA kids.
…vs UCLA where 90% of her classmates will stick in CA.
@lizzy1234, not so ill-informed when you consider that UMich is a massive school. 7K undergrads graduate a year. 70K recent grads (over the past 10 years). That means 5K or so recent UMich undergrads in CA. More than enough to network with. Yes, a ton more UCLA grads in CA, but you’re also not going to know all of them. Whether the “in” matters should be born out by how well grads do, and you’ll likely find that there is no difference between UMich and UCLA grads of the same major who work in CA.
And in fact, when you look at which schools have CS grads in the most desirable companies for CS majors (and pretty much all of them in CA), UMich is about the same as UCLA (actually, a little better):
https://m.slashdot.org/story/208691
i guess we haven’t different definitions of ‘in’. while UMich grads do ok in LA (most via growing up there and returning), UCLA and USC (and Ivies) run SoCal. if i wanted to know a lot of peers and settle in a place i would go to college there. just my opinion
Michigan graduates are everywhere and they are very loyal. Did you notice the home atmosphere for Michigan at the Staples center last weekend? There is a big world out there Lizzie, not everyone ends up in Southern California. I think it’s wiser to go with the school that is well represented all over the country; but that’s just my opinion.
good point. many sidewalk alums showed up to a sportball game in LA, so OP’s daughter is sure to land well in Socal with dozens of immediate friends and expansive network? umm, k
It is a lot easier, cheaper, and convenient to go home from Michigan to home in Michigan. You can take more home excepting laundry! Yes it is cold and snowy, but already have the clothes, stamina and interests to enjoy winter in Michigan.
If you are a student you don’t have for the beach or the time to enjoy CA as much as you want, the weather is monotonous except for floods and fires, too big and too much traffic.
Downside of UM…beating Loyola grrrrr.
“good point. many sidewalk alums showed up to a sportball game in LA, so OP’s daughter is sure to land well in Socal with dozens of immediate friends and expansive network? umm, k”
You’re missing the point. Most of those alums are based on the west coast in areas like LA and SF, and they ar4 successful. Large numbers of alumni are also in NY, Chicago, Texas, etc. Where are the UCLA alums according to you; California. It’s nice to have a large contingent of loyal alumni all over the country, and it does make a difference!
@rjkofnovi It sounds to me that you are desperately trying to prove that Southern Californians have Michigan preference over UCLA. People here in California, if know anything (at all) about Michigan, is because of Football name recognition (among few)!
Here in Southern California, as @lizzy1234 mentioned, only Ivies and few other top (10?) schools are recognized and perhaps preferred over the top local schools such as UCLA/USC.
From the OP’s other posts, it looks like the student is very advanced in math and physics (college courses taken while in high school), but that the OP is very concerned about costs (including the higher cost to take more math and physics courses at a university while in high school after exhausting community college courses). Math and physics interest suggest greater interest in those majors, or possibly in engineering, rather than other STEM subjects like biology.
Both Michigan and UCLA are highly reputable for math, physics, and engineering. As noted previously, Michigan is easier to change major within the engineering division. Michigan is also lower as the in-state public (unless the student earned a Stamps or some such scholarship at UCLA). So these inferences from the OP’s other posts point to Michigan.
Draw the conclusions you want:
If you have the money and your kid wants badly to attend UCLA, then UCLA. Otherwise UofM. When two schools are pretty much even, whether is important to me.
Oh, please. Michigan is well-recognized in SoCal, as a top tier college. And for those that really know, they recognize that for years, UM and Cal were top two publics, and #3 wasn’t even close. Over the last few decades, the two SoCal schools (UCLA and USC) have been slowly climbing the rankings to be on ~par with UM.
Of course, the local schools are “preferred.” That is true everywhere in the country. (Most kids ‘prefer’ to attend college within a half-day’s drive from home.)
Personally, not a fan of paying OOS tuition when one has a top-ranked public in their back yard. OTOH, for a little more money, I do like the offerings of a top private.
“i It sounds to me that you are desperately trying to prove that Southern Californians have Michigan preference over UCLA.”
That’s not what I said at all. I said that Michigan has alumni all over the country. UCLA’s are mostly concentrated in California. It’s not that hard…
Another unmentioned factor: sometimes students just want to attend college far away from home.
I’m a Michigander. My kids were born and raised in Michigan.
Although my son was admitted to UMich, this was a backup for him. He went to college out-of-state: Illinois. He didn’t go there for better weather. He wanted to live in a “major league city” (i.e., with major league sports) and attend a college “where it’s safe to be a thinker.”
My daughter did not apply to any in-state college as an undergrad. Again not because of weather but b/c she wanted to live in a “real city” (a category that Providence marginally belongs to). However after working in the economy for a few years she did apply to and was admitted to UMich for an MBA. Now she’s living in a really big city, the same one that her brother lives in (NYC).
If someone asked me which is better school, UCLA or U of M, I would say they are pretty much equal, based on my limited knowledge. Ross biz school at U of M is darn fine UG biz school but UCLA has the film school. Having said this, I would have tried to influence my kid to go to UCLA over U of M (because it’s closer to us and better weather) UNLESS he really wanted to go to U of M. When everything is pretty much even, I look at weather and health aspects of life. 4 years goes by quickly but is long time.
For competitive majors, getting into Berkeley or UCLA is equal to getting into top 10 colleges. I agree with this based on my experience. Also, getting into Pomona IMO is more difficult than getting into several top 10 colleges.
Does the OP even care about this anymore? Hasn’t been back…at all.
Have been a frequent visitor to Orange County, CA with side trips north to LA. Now retired to Florida. H’s Orange County CA aunt came one July and we had to convince her to wade in the water- 90 plus degrees, she was used to the Pacific staying cold. Likewise the Great Lakes warm up by August and small lakes much sooner.
Glad Michigan won- Big 10 public. Still, they are far too football crazy…
@wis75 there is no such thing as far too football crazy!
Of course southern Californians will prefer UCLA and “fight for it”. They don’t even want to know what east coasters think of LA! Lol.
I have never gone anywhere that i did not see a tee or a hat with a big yellow M on it. Rural town in Mexico? Check. Buenos Airies? Check. On the London Underground? Check. They are everywhere…
Hmm- I notice the Badgers stuff- and Packers. Not that much Michigan coast to coast, PNW to Florida… One neighbor flies both Ohio State and Michigan flags on football Saturdays here in Tampa.
Haha. We see what we want to see right? @wis75