<p>“Back to the original statement i made, “both strong in business and humanities with Northwestern having the edge”, NU with the vast arguments i have made is a strong choice for business, and for humanities being vastly superior in Math, Chemistry, Psychology, Sociology, English and political science,”</p>
<p>This is a patent lie! You should be ashamed to spread such nonsense!</p>
<p>Ross and Kellogg are both top MBA programs, with Kellogg being a top 5 program and Ross a top 10 program. </p>
<p>In Engineering, again, both Michigan and Northwestern are excellent, with Michigan having a slight edge as a top 10 program while Northwestern has a top 15 Engineering program.</p>
<p>When considering Michigan and Northwestern, I almost always recommend one go for the cheaper option…and if money is not an issue, then go for fit.</p>
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<p>Again, the caliber of NU students doesn’t compare with that of the other 8 schools you listed. If students at those schools go into fields like ibanking, I wouldn’t be surprised if they met or exceeded Ross students. The same doesn’t apply for NU. If you still think it does, then back it up with data. Otherwise concede that what you say is merely conjecture.</p>
<p>US News is accurate when determining such a large disparity between caliber of programs, such as the case with psychology. Its rankings are arbitrary only when two schools have closely ranked programs.</p>
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<p>Obviously not… it equates to you losing credibility by making false claims. Sorry, but if one part of your arguments fails, then so does the whole thing. Simple logic.</p>
<p>Recharge,</p>
<p>I was told NU places as many as ibanking as UChicago does but regardless, the caliber of the students is about the same for both schools (similar SAT/ACT range; NU had higher ranges the past few years according to US News; this year, the “higher” UChicago range is higher than that on their own website and is for the “admitted” students).</p>
<p>I second Alexandre’s advice.</p>
<p>I also second Alexandre’s advice. Both Michigan and Northwestern are peer schools. The OP should choose based on fit/cost.</p>
<p>From my first reply</p>
<p>“Also if one is significantly cheaper for you than the other than that should be a big factor for you.”</p>
<p>If all equal i would pick Northwestern for they have more options for other programs, why is this statement so controversial? hilarious.</p>
<p>I don’t understand what the big argument is. As Sam Lee said, who from his/her past posts shows lots of knowledge on the subject of business recruitment reaffirms what i was saying. With NU considered a peer school in business recruiting for a lot of the schools listed.</p>
<p>That all i was trying to say in my very first post but i guess i need to write a thesis to make any points on CC.</p>
<p>"I would visit both if possible and pick best fit. Both would serve you well for engineering and if you decide to switch majors they are both strong in business and humanities with Northwestern having the edge.</p>
<p>Northwestern has a very different teaching method for engineering then UMich does so take that into consideration as well.</p>
<p>Also if one is significantly cheaper for you than the other than that should be a big factor for you.</p>
<p>Cheers. "</p>
<p>The argument is simply that you stated NU has the edge in business and humanities, and then continued to insinuate that grad school degrees correlate to undergraduate degrees, both of which are blatantly false. You’ve made several mistakes in your posts which would lead any reasonable person to consider them conjecture. Let me point them out. </p>
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“let alone the company list is not as impressive.”
I showed you Ross’s company list for BBA hires to disprove this, and you just brushed it off instead of addressing it directly.</p>
<p>#2
“So you do not deny you lied about being accepted to NU?”
Ad hominem. Once again, I simply forgot to include NU in my post, and for that matter, I also forgot to include Emory. Trying to debase my credibility by attacking my character is extremely uncouth. Would you like it if I labeled you a cretin for attending the University of Florida? I didn’t think so.</p>
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“NU with the vast arguments i have made is a strong choice for business, and for humanities being vastly superior in Math, Chemistry, Psychology, Sociology, English and political science”
Just ridiculous, flat out lying here. You obviously can’t come up with any data for these claims, let alone simple rankings. Typing that sentence was a fatal error on your part and caused you to completely lose any credibility you originally had.</p>
<p>Your last post, #26, was a feeble attempt to take back everything you said previously.
Just acknowledge the fact that the vast majority of what you said was conjecture.</p>
<p>I know what an MBA is - masters in business admin; what is a BBA? </p>
<p>Why are we talking about business degrees and how much money they are can garner in a thread on engineering?</p>
<p>Of course, I have no credibility without data. Since you use salary as a primary means of comparison on the graduate level, I will do the same on the undergraduate level.</p>
<p>My claim: NU does not have the edge in business.</p>
<p>[Northwestern</a> Graduation Survey Data Report 2008](<a href=“http://issuu.com/northwesternucs/docs/graduation_survey_data_report_2008?mode=embed&documentId=100127181359-5fe90fd2d2014a418fb7c7e5be0cb1b1&layout=grey]Northwestern”>http://issuu.com/northwesternucs/docs/graduation_survey_data_report_2008?mode=embed&documentId=100127181359-5fe90fd2d2014a418fb7c7e5be0cb1b1&layout=grey)
Go to pages 6-7 and examine Table 4. Look at the 2008 data for business.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.bus.umich.edu/pdf/EmploymentProfile2008.pdf[/url]”>http://www.bus.umich.edu/pdf/EmploymentProfile2008.pdf</a>
Go to page 34. Examine mean salaries consulting/finance.
Go to page 36. Examine mean salaries service/manufacturing.</p>
<p>Case in point.</p>
<p>Sample of Northwestern data is of 594 students, graduating class is over 1200 at the very least, i have not checked but the link below states class size of 1981 students. Not very representative.</p>
<p>[America’s</a> Best Colleges: #11 Northwestern University - Forbes.com](<a href=“Forbes List Directory”>Forbes List Directory).</p>
<p>But never the less, i agree you made a good point and this data is very compelling. Thanks for the info.</p>
<p>what are the mean salaries for grads in ENGINEERING…</p>
<p>…from NU ?</p>
<p>…from UM ?</p>
<p>US News and World Report ranks Northwestern higher than Michigan. Since the rankings are the overall academic rankings, Northwestern has an overall edge in other areas.</p>
<p>Business students from each university get into equally impressive jobs. however, i believe that due to more intimate student-teacher interactions a northwestern grad will have better connections coming out of college.</p>
<p>correction: US News ranks UMich higher than NU in engineering, the subject of this thread.</p>
<p>[Best</a> Undergraduate Engineering Programs - Best Colleges - Education - US News](<a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/spec-doct-engineering]Best”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/spec-doct-engineering)</p>
<p>He is talking about the whole ranking. Like the infamous USNEWS ranking</p>
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Northwestern does not have an undergraduate business program. Students in the Kellogg Certificate program only take 4 courses at Kellogg. Do you consider these “business” students?</p>
<p>What do you mean by Northwestern grad will have better connections coming out of college? Connections to what? How is it related to more “intimate student-teacher interactions”?</p>