Oh please let’s not go down the endowment dollars per student path.
And many endowment dollars are restricted and separate pools for different outcomes. They are both well funded.
These pissing contests are just a waste of time.
Op. I think you will have no measurable difference in potential outcomes at either school.
However, there are individual preferences that can have an impact. Where are you going to work the hardest and have the motivation you’ll need to make it to med school?
Simple things like weather and atmosphere. Social life.
But each school is known for excellent opportunities in all areas.
But some people like red wine. Some prefer white. What can I say?
However. I think if you are honest with yourself you need to ask a few questions.
-Am I interested in Michigan simply because it’s not UT?
-Do I think I have earned something more exotic than UT and you don’t respect all the others form your school who are going. You’re smarter and have just worked harder.
-if I knew I was just going to UT I wouldn’t have done all the things I did
-Am i jealous of people leaving Texas on some exciting and exotic journey.
-Rich kids in my school can do whatever they want and I want to show them I’m just as good.
-Michigan makes everyone know I’m smart. UT doesn’t say the same thing.
-I would like to go somewhere where no one knows me so I can create a whole new person. Kind of way to start over.
-am I trying to find every piece of info I can find to support a decision I know in my heart is a bit foolish?
-am I being honest with others about my motives? Am I hiding my feelings to get them to see my way ?
-Is there something. About yourself that you can’t be genuine about in Texas and need some distance ?
-do I really want to be a doctor or is it another thing I’m doing to make people see me as a smart person.
-is being seen as smart or smarter than others part of my identity and I am afraid of losing that s little with my decision ?
-I don’t know how I’m going to pay for med school and I’m just not sure it matters more than the value I receive from how others perceive me ?
You don’t need to answer these for me or anyone else. Just yourself. Make sure your motivations are known to you. Be honest.
Because UT and Mich are the same level of excellence. They both have huge school spirit and fun. Great college town and city. Big time sports. Huge resources. Smart students and world class professors. Research leaders and access to a vast medical ecosystem.
One is really inexpensive. One is expensive. You will need money in a big way in four short years. That’s why people like me are making sure you making a wise and mature decision. The decision could be either but it should be viewed coolly and not emotionally. It’s an investment.
“Because UT and Mich are the same level of excellence.“
But are they actually? Doesn’t Texas still have the top 10% (6%?) rule regarding instate admissions? Isn’t UTA overwhelmingly made up of instate students? I would imagine the students who attend from the best high schools in the state of Texas would really feel that in their interactions with others who are coming from lesser grade schools.
Will your parents also fully fund medical school costs…including cost of living? If not…maybe save that undergrad money towards medical school…if you get that far.
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I wonder if people would avoid a doctor that went to undergrad at UT?
@rjkofnovi I’ll go down this path one more time. I know you love your school. And you should.
However. To your point. Roughly 17000 out of the 29000 um undergrads are from Michigan. You can do the math but it is a clear majority.
So not sure how the mostly Texans thing is any different from a mostly Michigander thing.
From UT website “For Fall 2017, only one in every eight non-automatically admitted Texans, however, gain admission.
The admitted student profile for OOS students looks similar to admitted Texas students who rank outside of the top 7% of their high school.Dec 1, 2018”
The Texas auto admits are even stronger than the out of state admits.
They are academic peers. In some majors UT is better and in some the opposite is true.
Texas is approximately 80% instate. Michigan entering classes hover just above 50% instate. That’s a big difference. There are also no restrictions of who automatically gets in at Michigan. Facts
“The Texas auto admits are even stronger than the out of state admits.”
That’s surprising. I can’t imagine that auto admits from over 1000 Texas high schools are all equal in terms of stats. I’m also surprised that OOS admits are weaker than instate. That certainly is not the case at U-M.
The beauty of going to UT as a premed is that their advising, etc, is VERY much geared to the TMDSAS application. Plus, you’ll be in Texas for the convenience of med school interviews.
Now, you may be thinking…but I will want to apply to non-Texas meds, and you sure can try that. UT advising also supports the AMCAS app.
BUT…here’s the deal. As a Texas resident, other med schools know that if push comes to shove, a Tx resident will more likely end up choosing a super-low-cost Texas med (even private Baylor Med is cheaper for instate) over an OOS much more costly med. we’ve seen many Tx residents get plenty of love from Texas meds and the cold shoulder from OOS…even with very high stats. Sure, there are exceptions. And, if you’re lucky to get into an Ivy med, then they often provide grants to help make their costs more affordable.
IMHO this is the most important sentence you posted.
Success in premed is built on daily study averaging 3-4 or more hours, day after day, week after week. It’s a self-imposed goal and there is no obvious sign if you skip it. But each time you fall a bit behind the kids that continue to put in the work. Come test time it shows up. In college there are lots of distractions, friends to hang out with, stuff on campus, and sometimes you just don’t feel like locking yourself away with the books. It’s easy to say “I’ll make it up later” but somehow that never happens.
You blew thru deadlines for the program you wanted and for a big pot of money that could have helped you. When you get to college, whichever you choose, you might want to pay special effort to ensure that you hit your daily and weekly goals so you don’t look up at the end of the semester and find out once again you’ve missed a target gpa-wise.
Save money for med school!!! Ask parents about that
UT is pulling from a MUCH larger population then UM, in state, so the quality of the in state UT student will be higher.
^^^^Thats nonsense. No way to prove it. Furthermore, Michigan is not obligated to take any percentage of instate students. I would argue the exact opposite of what you said.
OP, something to consider-it’s really, really tough to do study abroad as a pre-med.
And both are superb schools, so I’ll join the “save the money” chorus. But it seems you’ve answered your own question-you clearly want to go to Michigan. So if the folks are willing to pay, and if potential huge costs for medical school are not an issue, then it’s clear you prefer Michigan over Texas.
There are a dozen or so courses required to apply to med school. See for example https://cns.utexas.edu/health-professions/current-students/health-profession-pathways/pre-medical#pre-med-course-requirements (1 class is 3 hours) By planning carefully it should be possible to fulfull all the requirements and study abroad.
Many students who study abroad report it is one of the best experiences of their time in college. You’ll learn (because you have to) skills to function in the presence of considerable uncertainty as you navigate in a world where you are not fluent and that runs under different expectations. You’ll gain a new perspective on life back home.
Sorry Mike but have to disagree; it’s very very hard to study abroad if you’re planning on applying to medical school during your senior year of college. It’s not just the required courses, it’s the MCAT prep, it’s the ECs, it’s the physician shadowing, it’s (for some) the research.
If OP was referring to summer only programs, that’s more easy to do. But medical school only starts with completing course requirements. So is it possible? Sure, but doing so will add a level of stress to an already stressful process.
So it can be done(see Princeton advice, below) but will clearly be adding a level of stress to the process:
https://hpa.princeton.edu/faqs/academics-faq/study-abroad
Now if OP is considering medical school after obtaining his/her bachelor’s with a gap year, that’s a separate consideration.
A few minor points, but UT is an outstanding school and much cheaper!
For the Class of 2022, in-state/OOS ratio:
UMich was 52% in-state and 48% OOS
UT is 91% in-state and 9% OOS.
So, if you want to meet many more students from other areas of the country, UMich would be the choice.
Student-Faculty Ratio:
UMich 15:1 (2018-2019 CDS)
UT 18:1 (2017-2018 CDS)
Freshman Class Size:
UMich 6,680 (23% acceptance rate)
UT 8,238 (36% acceptance rate)
UMich has a D1 Hockey team and D1 hockey is exciting to watch!
If there’s one preference medical schools give to applicants, it’s being a Texas resident. Going in-state is your best shot at getting into medical school.
Thank you, everyone, for the wonderful advice! Although I really did want to go to Michigan for its diverse community and probably its prestige, I feel that UT Austin is also a great institution that can also provide me quality experiences at a fraction of Michigan’s cost. Also, if I really want to go to Michigan, I work hard at UT to attend Michigan’s medical school. Again, thank you for everyone’s advice, and I’ll make sure to keep in mind these helpful tips for the future!
That is the intelligent choice. Best of luck!