<p>I was admitted off the waitlist in Princeton but they haven't sanctioned any aid. At the same time UMichigan has offered me the honors program and nearly a full ride. I know the math rankings arent that far apart and UMichigan has quite a great program. I am only wondering if it makes sense to take up the UMichigan offer since grad school is my eventual focus.! Help</p>
<p>im not sure about the programs at both schools, but if money is an issue, say you’re paying full price at princeton, then I wouldn’t advice you to attend.</p>
<p>There is nothing you will learn at Princeton that is worth the extra $200,000.</p>
<p>There is no undergraduate math rankings, because all math programs are alike. And Graduate rankings is important only if you plan to do participate in research, and look at the specific area you like.
My advice is, choose Umich unless:
- Princeton is also giving near full ride.
- You are a VERY good problem solver and plan to participate Putnam. Princeton has a stronger Putnam team, so your chance to score high is higher and it helps you to get into grad school.</p>
<p>Yes, I am interested in the putnam competition and I want to take part bt from what I have heard UMich did do pretty well last year. But I cant make my decision based on one competition!.</p>
<p>princeton will open a lot more doors</p>
<p>^^^^It better for 200 grand more!</p>
<p>there are PEs that exclusively recruit HYPS and wharton, and Michigan (including Ross) wont sniff those</p>
<p>The OP is concerned about admittance into grad school. Save your money and go to Michigan.</p>
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<p>What would Princeton’s superior Putnam team have to do with the OP’s individual score chances? Putnam teams contain three people, and unless the OP is already at an extremely high level, (ie, in the top 10 in the US among high school students) he won’t be making that team. </p>
<p>I’d say the OP has a better chance to be noticed and be able to work with various math people at Michigan than at Princeton. There’s plenty of resources available at Michigan for someone wanting to improve their problem solving skills, including a problem solving seminar that is offered every semester.</p>
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<p>Makes lots of sense. Take Michigan’s offer. You’ll be able to take some serious and challenging courses right off the bat. If you work at it and do well, you’ll be able to attract a lot of attention, and you’ll get some great support in your effort to have a solid grad school application. You’ll have a more difficult time finding that at Princeton.</p>
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<p>Princeton have a good Putnam team not only because its students own level, but also it must have a great problem solving prep. And not only 3 participate in Putnam, there can be more participant that dont take part of the team.
well this is true…
Or you can look at course catalogs of both schools, if there is some courses Princeton offers but Umich dont that specially interest you… Also look at research interests of faculties of both school. If there is not something that attracts you a lot from Princeton then go to Umich…</p>
<p>Well from what I see. They both seem equally competent in math especially wrt research. The honors math classes are 25-30 in strength and from the catalogue it seems quite a suitable place to do math. But then again Princeton has a stellar rep for math too, still torn between the two!!..</p>
<p>Alexandre… I would appreciate your noble advice here!</p>
<p>There is only one thing that people say non-stop on UM threads (and this is a signature line for some) "There is nothing you will learn at _______ that is worth the extra $200,000. "
Honestly, that is too much of an exaggeration. Hint: It cost $97,848 to attend UM, It cost $196,760 to attend Princeton (both without FA, the difference becomes $98,912, less than half of what other misleadingly says (honestly learn to do math people)). Also UM can raise it’s tuition as you progressed through your years depending on your program (while Princeton will not). Princeton tuition is paid in 12 month, not all at once. Also Princeton doesn’t have loans, it has grants in place of loans.
Interesting enough that the average grand for families make more than $200,000 is 16,000 per year (that’s about half of the tuition). And the average grant for people in the $120,000-140,000 range (the average middle class)is $32,250, 94% of tuition. Oh and the average grant for families making $100,000-120,000 is get $35,750: free tuition plus 13% of Room+Board. Oh by the way, for those who applied for aid that had family income from $0-$160,000, 100% qualified (and the average is what I listed). Grant does not have to be repaid at all (Princeton has no loan at all as stated before)</p>
<p>As for the choice, your going to have to make it, I’m not going to say which one is better, their both nice. (I would wait until you see what your FA is).</p>
<p>PS. Some people here have to start learning to do math easier. Especially when they are talking to somebody who wants to major in math.</p>
<p>“PS. Some people here have to start learning to do math easier. Especially when they are talking to somebody who wants to major in math.”</p>
<p>A lecture coming from a person who insists that major matters a lot in MBA admissions…or that “applying to MBA not having business/economic coursework from undergrad year is like applying to med school without bio/chem requirements” or “you cant be an art major undergrad and be admitted to MBA programs”</p>
<p>epic…</p>
<p>PS. I hope you learned that was a joke. I totally went against you because of one of your thread that you made that was taken down (you can guess by who).</p>
<p>Oh and I like how you quoted me wrong, you left a couple of information out (nice try).</p>
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<p>op has a full ride. michigan IS $200k cheaper, or at least close to that.</p>
<p>to op: if you are confident you want to go to grad school for math, you should strongly consider michigan.</p>
<p>“PS. I hope you learned that was a joke”</p>
<p>Certainly didnt sound like it. not to other people who responded either…so keep trying… also remember, you brought up the argument “BBA helps you get into MBA” …so yea… right…you started all that as I joke before I even replied…</p>
<p>I suggest that the OP waits until he sees what Princeton will offer, then decide. Of course if thr FA isn’t good, I would agree with the others</p>
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<p>I think you should check your math. It should cost more than that … you need to take into account that upper years will cost more than lower years. For example, my first 2 years at Chicago would have been around 50k and my last two around 55k … not taking into account tuition increases. </p>
<p>If you’re going to grad school and you’re not getting any FA from Princeton, I’d say go for Michigan. I was in the same position as you were 2 weeks ago (as you may know I was pulled off the waitlist at Chicago and had the opp to study at the #1 econ prog and Top 5 Math in the USA) and the cost difference is not worth it. You’re obviously smart and talented enough to get into Princeton and a near full ride from UMich, which means that you should be more than able to succeed at Michigan. Make the most out of your time at Michigan, and good things will come. If not, at least you saved your parents close to 200k. Heck, you got your Michigan education almost for free! :D</p>
<p>(Of course, there are other reasons why I chose Michigan over Chicago, but they’re more personal reasons)</p>
<p>Alexandre, please weigh in on this.</p>
<p>And to the OP: Good luck on your decision! It will be a terribly difficult decision to make, one that will impact if not change your life as you know it. You have a choice between two amazing schools, and one that is coming at a time that is not so great. You won’t go wrong with the choice you make. And to be honest, you’ll end up regretting your choice no matter which school you pick. But in the end, I know that you’ll do phenomenally well.</p>
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<p>And … Putnam … that’s a whole new ball game. From what I’ve heard … it’s completely different from AIME or USAMO if you’ve taken those. It’s good to challenge yourself … but don’t put all your eggs in one basket. Chances are that you won’t end up doing it, b/c there are tons of other things to do in college.</p>