<p>it seems that there are a lot more URMs in this forum now adays. ***?</p>
<p>lmao ok im apfreak
shut up all of you
its wicked annoying calling me some kid who i dont even know
OOOOO intervals 1 hr apart its weird, coincedence?!?!?
shut up and get a life</p>
<p>thankyou.</p>
<p>ah, ok. that's pretty low of you, though...</p>
<p>From what I wager, this is the break down of hispanic appls (does not include the 'puerto rican' and 'mexican american' fields).</p>
<p>harvard - 5
yale - 2</p>
<p>that's what I got.</p>
<p>dont forget one from princeton on these boards...maybe we have the least since the binding aspect of ed is unattractive to many applicants</p>
<p>what do you mean harvard 5
yale 2
im confused</p>
<p>:P
Do mean more hispanics apply to harvard than yale?
Just kinda, explain it a bit better.. thank ya</p>
<p>that's prolly what she means, again, it's includes a number of factors: brand name (obviously harvard will win against yale or princeton...though the other two are arguably as prestigious), financial aid policy, and of course, as far as early applications are concerned, it's no wonder princeton has significantly fewer applicants, so early programs' binding aspects factor in....that might help explain why more minorities apply to harvard than yale or even princeton</p>
<p>Oh
guess so
I thought it was some sort of statistic</p>
<p>no I mean from these boards, those are the numbers i gathered that are definite.</p>
<p>oh interesting</p>
<p>DHA-
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Oh cmon on. What is the bias? That the test is tailored towards the "European" method of education? That subjects such as "Latin" and "Philosophy" arent available to minorities? Give me a break. I come from these situations, and the European format is FINE. Its the only basic format, and best-suittedm format there is. In South America it is the exact same thing. You have your romance languages, maths, sciencies, social studies, etc. If you really have the desire to learn, then against all obstacles you will read "The Economist" instead of "Latina Cosmogirl." It all comes from the individual's passions and intentions. Thats why I choose to take the bus to Barnes and Nobles to read magazines such as that, instead of "Michael Jordan: A biography" like the other minority kid sitting next to me. Harvard was set up after the original European model for christ's sake!
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I don't know what all the testimony that the US Supreme Court believed in was. Did you read it??? Did Latina Cosmogirl come up at all? I bet the Supreme Court Justices would enjoy reading that to see if there is anything leading to educational testing bias...I do know a few very basic things that may cause test bias- if a Latino kid taking the test sees all white names in a story on the SAT, even that can alienate someone or make them feel uncomfortable. It has nothing to do with subject matter. I do not study educational psychology, and clearly you do not either, so lets not make uninformed guesses about this and trivialize test performance discrepancy by saying it has to do with magazine choice!</p>
<p>As far as Harvard being set up in the European model- here is an interesting fact.</p>
<p>This year, 2005, marks the 350th anniversary of the Harvard Indian College (college referring to a dormitory like Yale calls their dormitories still). Harvard has an institutional committment to American Indians because the founding Charter of 1650 chartered Harvard for "the education of the English and Indian youth of this land". Another interesting fact- the first Bible printed in North America was printed at Harvard, on an Indian College printing press, in the Algonquian Indian language. Maybe non-English and non-Indian students- all of them- are receiving AA, since these were the original students for whom Harvard was intended? LOL. And lets not make assumptions that by using a European MODEL, Harvard is...and <em>was</em> "set up"...only for whites. This is <em>not</em> the case.</p>
<p>"I do know a few very basic things that may cause test bias- if a Latino kid taking the test sees all white names in a story on the SAT, even that can alienate someone or make them feel uncomfortable."</p>
<p>See this is what I find Ironic. The majority of teenage latinos in the country cannot even speak Spanish correctly, let alone fluently (trust me, I know. My main EC deals with this). For example in school, the Castillan toungue is cut-up, flayed, and hung out to dry by the very same hispanics whose native tongue it is. I have heard too much preposition, article, and grammar "chewing" to know that very few individuals of my age in this country can speak the language well. Im sorry to dissapoint you, but in regards to your post, rather quote, "all these white names" do not have an effect on us (I am a latino remember?). Whenever I see "Smith, Winchester, McArthur" it in no way "hinders my ability to analyze rationally and derive conclusions from the passage." I dont know about you, but when I am taking a test under pressure, I am more worried about comprehending the material rather than pausing to think whether the name has an effect on my subconcious. Furthermore, EAS, it does not make me uncomfortable.</p>
<p>Now! You may say, that I dont know what I am talking about right? That I am an overprivileged individual who doesnt understand the hardships that latino immigrants go through. However, if you make that assumption, you are gravely mistaken. Now we are speaking on the basis of Domestic minority applicants, therefore, we can conclude that these individuals have been raised in the this country for the most part and learned about our history and culture. Wouldnt you agree, then, that someone who lives in a certain country, and will go to a certain university of that country, should know the aspects of its educational system and the template of it's regard towards other students? </p>
<p>I dont know about you, but I would actually be thrown-off concentration if I read an article on Cesar "commie" Chavez rather than Watson and Crick -AND I AM A FLUENT SPANISH SPEAKER (800, 5)</p>
<ul>
<li>a POOR, latino kid.</li>
</ul>
<p>Are you a Cuban?</p>
<p>LOL</p>
<p>And I could have just as easily said another minority...I'm not talking about language fluency.</p>
<p>Sorry to dissapoint. However, I am glad that your response provides such an intricate rebuttal to my argument. </p>
<p>You call yourself a Harvard student huh? My dear, do we have another pure AA admission here?</p>
<p>Oh, btw, are you a fake indian?</p>
<p>Thats right, m'dear. You dont know what you are talking about : )</p>
<p>If it wasnt for great Harvard Alumni I have met, then I would heavily question the intellectual capacity of the current student body. Toodles.</p>
<p>lol dha
with an attitude like that, goodluck gettin accepted into harvard
you're way too into yourself.</p>
<p>one cannot deny your brilliance though.. but brilliance is common at harvard.</p>
<p>'Toodles'</p>
<p>Yes I am a fake Indian and I got 3 fake perfect 800's on my SATs. Or maybe I just paid off the College Board since I'm so well off. Thank you for proving my point...debate disintegrates when personal attacks start...clearly you have nothing left to say.</p>
<p>I am not the one who began with the derrogatory ethnic comments. What you fail to realize is this YOUR attitude, just like this percieved attitude of minorites (test bias, discriminated against, "hardships") are the very same perceptions that are actually an insult to us. For example, you claim to justify low test scores due to the fact the the test is bias or for some other reason. Therefore, you are implying that individuals would get distracted and go off course on such a test. Basically you are saying that we dont have the mental capacity to disregard matterial we <em>may</em> find offensive and continue taking our exam. You, just like the democratic party, assume that minorities are poor, defenseless children (well the ones you havent aborted already) that need to be pampered by the state/institution rather than be judged by their personal characteristics, opportunity, and achievements within those situations.</p>
<p>I agree, an exam doesnt measure how bright you really are. However, neither do grades (ask Einstein) or any other "academic" measure of intelligence. A brilliant individual is measured by his ability to take in information and make rational decisions about instances around him/her. How their action/inaction is able to contribute towards the hapiness and well being of others, not himself/herself. Politically correct enough for you? This is where I determine the point that the interview is actually one of the integral parts of the application. Anyone can get straight As, 1600s (with enough prepping) and be president of NHS. However, it takes a truly motivated individual to overcome circumstances and do things to help out other members of society. Thats why rich minorities should get no advantage at all. They are in the same positions as other individuals. Therefore, there is no excuse for poor grades, SATs, Ecs and personal characteristics. Remember, with enough money, anyone can orchestrate an application, essays, and ECs. When you are interviewed, although, your true self comes to light. And then, your sincerety and personality are revealed.</p>
<p>"Rich minorities".. im not rich, far from it
I've been through more things than anyone on this forum.. so please dont act like you know me.. dont automatically assume I'm another urm hispanic kid whos lookin for an easy entrance into a ivy school just because of affirmitive action.</p>
<p>I wasnt aruging the fact that rich minorities should get special privelages.. because I agree with you on that topic.. I strongly feel that they should be treated as everyone else.</p>
<p>And as far as interviews go.. I also agree with you.</p>
<p>When discussing SAT and such.. like you said in your last post.. "Anyone can get straight As, 1600s (with enough prepping)"</p>
<p>But I shall restate this once more. you dont know me therefore you cannot judge me.</p>