UNC Scools or UF/USF, Maybe Hunter?!

My daughter was accepted at Chapel Hill, UNCW, UNCA, App State, UF and USF. We are waiting to hear from Hunter College in NYC.

For those familiar with either NC or FL (or both) schools, please advise.

She wants to major in Bio/Chem and intends to go Pre-Med. I think App and UNCA are out, but Chapel Hill, UNCW, USF and UF are in the running. We have FL Prepaid so a FL school would be great. However, she has an AA and AS from a NC Community College so a NC school would be good for that. I know she is interested most in Chapel Hill but UNCW has offered $7500 per year for merit and none of the other schools have (except UNCA is giving $5000 but I don’t think they have a Bio/Chem major).

At USF she could live with my father (her choice) and I think she prefers that to UF since there’s more to do in the Tampa area.

If Hunter accepts her into their Freshman Honors Scholar program she may get money from them. They’re the only school we don’t have a decision from yet.

Any advice?!?

Sorry for the typo in the title. I don’t see a way to edit my post. I am finding lots of useful info on this board and wish I had done so months ago. I didn’t know a lot of the things mentioned here.

Any advice on my question would be so appreciated. My daughter really has no idea what to do. We’re going to tour the UNC Chapel Hill campus soon. UNCW has a Forensics minor she is interested in. I’m also wondering if that might be better because there won’t be as many students wanting pre med there as at Chapel Hill. That could be an advantage I think.:woman_shrugging:

Where are you guys from?
UNC and UF are excellent schools? Would Hunter be much cheaper?
I don’t think it attracts as strong a peer group as UNC and UF

We live in NC now but have FL Prepaid since we lived there until 4 years ago. Hunter is pretty comparable financially.

not sure Hunter is worth considering …

Hunter is a commuter college, not worth it.

UNCW and UNC are probably your strongest 2 choices.
Competition in premed classes would likely be lower at UNCW
Could she live on campus at USF? (Living with her grandfather would really cut her off from campus life - if she can live on campus freshman year then move in with her grandfather if she still wishes to, it’d offer better odds.) Students who live on-campus are more successful and have a better experience overall, and for premeds it means not missing any study group or club meeting at an odd time.
I assume she got UNCW Honors? That would really make a difference.
It’s really hard to turn down UNC though, so she’d have to compare her academic profile with theirs (ie., GPA, test scores if relevant…)
As a premed, she shouldn’t try to cut her time short, she should use her 4 years on campus to take many advanced classes, grow her activities (clinical experience, volunteering, leadership, potentially also research…) and do as well as is possible.

Hunter in NYC is a Community College? I thought it was a 4 year school in the CUNY system. They have Scholar programs and many Pre med graduates from what I’ve read.

I just read the rest of your post, sorry. Yes, she can live on campus at USF also. My dad only lives 15 minutes away that’s why she thought living with him would be better.

Yes, she did get Honors at UNCW & scholarship money. UNC hasn’t offered anything extra. I figured competition would be lower for Med school there. How does that affect her? How does comparing her academic profile help & why is it better to do all four years? I am asking honestly. I’m a novice to all of this.

A commuter college = a college from which most students (99%) commute, meaning there’s no real campus, little college life, few clubs (I think all clubs take place on one day during a 2-hour period set aside just for that.)
It’s barebones but it works: students live at home, take the subway, take their classes.
However it’s not designed for students who aren’t from NYC.

You’re right, it’s probably easier to be top 20% in each class* at UNCW than at UNC.
In order to succeed, premeds must be at a college where they’re in the top 25% students.

For UNC-W, it means being above 1320 on the SAT and above 4.03 wGPA.
For UNC, it means being above 1450 on the SAT and above 4.4 wGPA. (UNC is one of the GREAT public universities in the country, with a 22% admission rate so KUDOS to her for getting in. The competitors are UMichigan, UC Berkeley, UCLA, and UVA, all “public Ivies”.)

As you can see, there’s a big difference in “top achievement” between the two.
UNC will definitely carry more weight if, like more premeds, she doesn’t go to med school.
However, unless she’s clearly well above these stats (and has taken AP Bio, AP Chem, and AP Calc) being premed at UNC is risky.

Honors college adds some support, a personal adviser, typically priority registration (meaning the honors students can take classes when they learn best: early risers early in the morning, night owls later in the day… they can take the best classes with the best professors, which is a huge advantage).

  • premeds need to be top 20-25% in each class they take, regardless of where they attend college + choose a major that allows them to shine. That major doesn’t need to be a science, BTW, as long as she takes all the premed prereqs plus some recommended. So, if she’s strong in Math, she can major in Math, and if she’s strong in Spanish, she can major in Spanish.
    Pre-med prereqs&recommended:
    General Bio 1&2, General Chem1&2, Organic Chem, General Physics 1&2 (algebra-based=fine), English composition+ another English course (advanced writing, interpersonal communication…), Calculus, Biostatistics, Psychology, Sociology + Biochemistry, Neuroscience or Cognitive science, knowledge of a language spoken by immigrants to the US (in case you need to treat someone whose native language is not English! + experience at a clinic with people using this other language is a +), and a diversity-focused course, philosophy, medical ethics. If majoring outside of STEM, more advanced science courses.
    In addition, premeds must volunteer in clinical settings and with people different from themselves (socially, demographically… ie., elder patients, homeless patients, refugees, rural if you’re from an urban area, urban if you’re from a rural area…) to show their ability to function in environments they’re not familiar with; involvement that shows leadership; research, especially if aiming for a MD/PHD. Some students work as CNA or EMT in order to increase time with patients.
    In order to juggle all that while remaining at the top of one’s class requires incredible time management and focus (which you want your doctor to have :p). By trying to be at least top 20-25% in every class (below that and your grades are no longer “med school worthy”) and aiming for A’s (with office hours and tutoring baked in, immediately, not waiting till midterms are coming) you know you are on track for a 3.75+ GPA (different from HS - imagine a top 10% GPA).
    Doing all that in less than 4 years is impossible.
    That’s why ALL premeds must have a Plan B - another major than biology, to start with.

Many premeds don’t make it. Of those who make it till the end, a MAJORITY never get even one acceptance to med school.
Having the strongest possible application takes time and without it, no chance of getting into med school. (There are DO schools, too, which are legit and train most family doctors nowadays; PA is shorter than med school and well paid, but it requires 10 hours of patient contact per week every week of every year in college, and more over the summer to offset finals week, breaks, and holidays.)

I hope this helps!

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Thank you SO much for this very detailed response! I will share this with DD. She does have her CNA license in NC already, so that’ll help increasing time with patients. Sorry I confused commuter with community regarding Hunter. :grin: I’ve tried explaining what you said to her (about the commuters) but she is 18 and knows everything. :roll_eyes:

She has the two AA degrees and will hopefully be able to skip some courses but that can give her more time to take the higher level maths and sciences. She plans to major in Bio/Chem and possibly minor in Forensics. I’ve tried to explain that she doesn’t have to major in science, but you can see above about her being 18. :rofl: She has mentioned being a medical examiner or forensic pathologist, but that still requires medical school so I suppose it doesn’t matter. She had mentioned wanting to learn ASL but I don’t think that would be as beneficial as Spanish.

This is a lot of information and I greatly appreciate the time you took to respond. I don’t think my daughter realizes the extent of the commitment required.