<p>hi everybody, i'm just wondering how good upenn's undergraduate business program is and which one would you chose between mcgill and upenn ( i'm talking about parties, atmosphere, reputation and academics).</p>
<p>undoubtedly wharton, mcgill does not even come anywhere close</p>
<p>McGill might be worth it if you live in Canada and it costs a fraction of Penn’s tuition. Either way, Wharton will have a much better name in every country besides Canada.</p>
<p>Wharton is in a league all of its own. Also, if you work in Canada coming out of McGill, you’ll be making a fraction of a Whartonite’s salary thanks to Canada’s ridiculous taxes.</p>
<p>McGill is quite good, easily equivalent to a good U.S. state university program (maybe not the best ones, like Michigan or Berkeley, but good). Wharton, as everyone else here will tell you, is probably the best quality and the most widely respected undergraduate business program in the world. Including Canada. So straight up, it’s not a fair fight at all.</p>
<p>McGill, however, is a lot cheaper than Penn, even if you are not Canadian – maybe half the price at the tuition and fees level, but a little more expensive for housing. (100% of McGill students live off-campus after their first year. Housing prices in Montreal close to McGill are probably 50% higher than those for the places Penn students live.)</p>
<p>Simple answer: Wharton</p>
<p>I agree with everything mentioned above. McGill, however, is a great school (especially in the sciences) in one of the greatest cities in our hemisphere. We just got back from a visit there and have pretty much settled on McGill for our daughter. She spent half the year in France and would love to study where she can continue to use her French and enjoy the sophistication of such a beautiful city.</p>
<p>well thanks everybody for your answers</p>
<p>actually, i still have a few questions to ask about Wharton. It’s quite hard to find good advices about american universities in France, that’s why it’s hard for me to know what level is expected for a french student. is there anybody out there who could roughly give me the equivalence of the marks/ level needed to get into such a school ?</p>
<p>After getting my finaid offer from Penn, I had to make the same decision. My family had enough saved that we could afford McGill comfortably plus I had an additional 32k in scholarships. Montreal is amazing, McGill is a great school and all that, but I don’t think there’s any comparison. From everyone I’ve talked to, their career services are awful and the commerce program piggybacks on the McGill name. In Canada, the commerce program is 2nd tier compared to Ivey and QC, but McGill does better with international placements…which is what you’d be applying for anyway as a Wharton student.</p>
<p>If you want to stay in Canada and you only have those two choices, go to McGill. Canadian banks and stuff like hiring Canadian students and it doesn’t make financial sense to go to Wharton and to come back to Canada to pay more taxes and earn less nominally, in Canadian dollars at that.</p>
<p>Roughly speaking, the quality of U.S. students at Wharton corresponds to the quality of French students who would eventually be candidates for one of the ENSs. There’s some difference, because the French system is completely examination-based, and the U.S. system looks at other things, including non-academic activities, as well as personal expressiveness in essays. Also, of course, decent command of English would be necessary. But, in general, I would think that the students who were decent candidates for Wharton would be those whose realistic backup plan, if they did not go to Wharton, would be to go through a prepa and gain admission to an ENS.</p>
<p>r u from canada? if so, i would understand y u wouldn’t want to move b/c u would be an international student but if not, i would go to penn if you’re interested in business or even if you’re not. i think it’s generally agreed upon that penn demands more of the applicant and that u would be getting a better (i hesitate to say “better” cuz that’s subjective, but u know what i mean) education</p>
<p>nevermind about all that international stuff- you’re from france! i think if you’re making that big a move to begin w/, u should come to penn. also, there are plenty of programs to get u to improve yr english. u might even consider the huntsman program</p>