<p>HYPSMC is already HYPSMC.</p>
<p>Harvard, Yale, Princeton, MIT, Stanford, Caltech</p>
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<p>The ‘C’ in the acronym is reserved for Caltech, not Chicago…</p>
<p>EDIT: I cross-posted with DMOC.</p>
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From talking to some on campus, this is the next question to be answered. </p>
<p>As far a yield is concerned, that will be affected more by FA than cross admits. If Nondorf can do something about that, then that will be the really needed improvement.</p>
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<p>The admission office said they would accept about the same number (3700) as before. Assuming there are about 3000 EA kids deferred (a very reasonable assumption), RD admit rate of 12% is right on the ball park. </p>
<p>I think the effect of “lessening self selection and decreasing yield” has been already worked into the whole estimation game: they admitted an astonishing number of kids during the EA cycle (500 more this year), which gives them a lot time to “work” on these kids, and this counters the potential slips in the yield.</p>
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<p>This is a correct assumption. </p>
<p>It is usually in the 2nd year of a switch to the Common App that a school experiences the biggest jump. During the 1st year, many potential applicants may not even be aware that said school has made the switch. After the 2nd year, the number of applications tends to level off…</p>
<p>JHS said: “Well, it won’t be in the sub-15% club just yet. Its overall admission rate is going to be just under 20%, and the number of RD acceptances divided by the number of RD applications is probably going to be just over 15%. Only by taking into account the (unknown) number of EA deferrals can one say that the real RD admission rate will be around 13%. And that’s still much higher than the colleges it regards as its competition.”</p>
<p>Well, I guess it depends what you define as “the competition.” If you’re comparing Chicago directly to HYPS, then yes, Chicago’s acceptance rate is still “much higher.” If you look at the schools that Chicago competes with on a more realistic level, I think Chicago is, for the first time ever, pretty much right in the ball park with everyone else. </p>
<p>I’m assuming Brown and Columbia will have RD accept rates of around 9%, and Duke, Penn, etc. will have RD rates of around 12-14%. Overall, Brown and Columbia will probably have general accept rates of 10-13%, Penn and Duke will probably be around 16-20%. Chicago is right in the pack with all of these schools. The RD accept rate will be around 12%, and the overall accept rate will probably be about 18-19% (3600-3700 accepts out of the overall pool of 19306). (This is assuming including the EA deferrals in the RD pool.)</p>
<p>I really wouldn’t say Chicago’s accept rate is now “much higher” than its most immediate peers.</p>
<p>On another note, did anyone find Nondorf’s advertising tactics really interesting? The article states:</p>
<p>"Nondorf said recruiters this year emphasized not only the core liberal arts curriculum for which the university is known, but also the opportunity for undergraduates to take pre-professional courses such as those in the university’s Booth School of Business, a graduate school.</p>
<p>When prospective students indicated an interest in a career in medicine, they got a letter from the dean of the medical school."</p>
<p>For better or worse, top students today are more career-oriented than students a few decades ago, and this is an impressive move on Chicago’s part. If I was even vaguely interested in medicine or law now, and I received a letter from the Dean of Chicago Law or Pritzker Med, that’d certainly induce me to apply. </p>
<p>The article also stated: “Nondorf, in his first year as the U. of C.'s admissions dean, said that when meeting with potential applicants, he boasted of new dorms, athletic facilities and student interest in comedy and the arts more broadly, not the typical images associated with a university known for its seriousness.”</p>
<p>Overall, in thinking about this a lot, I think this is a good move at this point in Chicago’s history. There was a debate in the UPenn forum about the differences between Chicago and Penn, and one poster (maybe JHS?) stated that Chicago would probably like to see some more Penn-types apply, just as Penn would like to see some more traditional-Chicago types apply. Nondorf’s marketing will probably lead to some modulation and a higher degree of variety in Chicago’s student body, and I think this is good. If we had an entire campus of wanna-be heisman trophy winners, that may be a detriment to the school, but just mixing up the classes a bit more is a helpful move to make. I think, just generally, creating a more varied class is going to make the student body overall well, HAPPIER. The students will be pursuing more varied endeavors, and it’ll just liven up the campus a bit. </p>
<p>I know we all talk fondly at times about Chicago being true to the life of the mind and all of that, but back during the height of Chicago’s “self-selective” era, it was a pretty grim place. Academically superb, but generally a bit… grim.</p>
<p>Nondorf seems to be keeping his magic from Yale and RPI alive.</p>
<p>This is funny. My parents who know nothing about colleges said that I should never apply to Chicago because it was so easy to get into (and it was too far away). Funny.</p>
<p>wow i’m definitely not getting in here anymore (■■■!) so much for first choice being Chicago!</p>
<p>CornellPerson - well, when Chicago had a 73% accept rate, which wasn’t terribly long ago, it wasn’t really all that hard to get into…</p>
<p>Well this sucks.</p>
<p>So UofC is the new WashU? </p>
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UofC’s been a fine school for a very long time, if not in my favorite part of Windy City. The achievements of its alum have long rivaled the Ivies.</p>
<p>Each year our high school (top rank NJ public) send around 2 to 3 top students to UChicago on EA admission. This year, about 15 apply EA, 2 got deferred and 13 got rejected. Amazing. Similarly, our school send around 2 or 3 to Yale each year on SCEA. This year about 5 applied and only one got accepted the rest was rejected. This year seems to be thougher than last.</p>
<p>News everywhere even in Bloomberg and Businessweek (owned by Bloomberg now). </p>
<p>Plenty of Wall Street type reads Bloomberg News. </p>
<p>[Chicago</a> Sees 42% Applicant Jump in Competition With Harvard - Bloomberg.com](<a href=“Bloomberg Politics - Bloomberg”>Bloomberg Politics - Bloomberg)</p>
<p>haha great! </p>
<p>I got deferred from Chicago EA!</p>
<p>As the parent of a current student ('12) and a '14 EA admit, I will say that Chicago is showing a lot more love to the EA kids than two years ago. I will find it interesting to see what the yield is like among EA vs. RD, and how many of them self -selected for Chicago vs. tossing an app at them now that it’s CA vs. the perception that it’s easier to be admitted than other highly ranked schools.</p>
<p>The vice president of admission is doing a terrific job in getting more students to apply. I hope his bonus is based on these metrics. He earned it.</p>
<p>yay there goes first choice dream school for me :(</p>
<p>Thought I was playing it smart to not apply EA and work on my essays until the RD deadline but I guess that completely backfired…</p>
<p>Same here, and I even took SAT IIs. Well, it isn’t impossible, but very difficult.</p>
<p>Isn’t it cute that Yale had to fix Chicago’s broken admissions system?</p>
<p>That being said, the 37% increase only in RD applications is extremely impressive. It’s interesting that Chicago is using Columbia to gauge its own performance. It’s appropriate, and is probably a measure that no one of the old guard would have even considered enforcing.</p>
<p>The problem now turns to yield.</p>