@cue7 Check this out for nobel winners world wide since 2000. U Chicago is 4th. Harvard and Yale are not even top 10. Max Plank and Israel’s Technion are top 10. https://www.timeshighereducation.com/features/top-10-universities-producing-nobel-prizewinners
Wait - @Chrchill - has the market spoken? The rankings have spoken, but do you have a sense of what Chicago’s success rate on cross-admits is vs. Stanford or Harvard? What about in terms of donor dollars and student outcomes? Is Chicago all of a sudden outperforming either S or H? I’m guessing no.
Re economics, there was a recent article on Stanford’s ascendancy in this field, and the article noted “Harvard and MIT” as the chief competitors dethroned. The article further contended that the strength of PhD students had shifted away from the east to the west coast. 15 or 20 years ago, making such an assertion - with no mention of Chicago - would’ve been journalistic negligence. Nowadays, given Stanford’s rise and changes in this field, the statement may in fact hold some truth.
(Here’s the article: https://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/13/upshot/how-stanford-took-on-the-giants-of-economics.html?_r=0)
Again, Chicago is a premier place for economics - there’s no doubt about it. The gap between Chicago and it’s peers, however, may be closer than you think, and may actually look different than you think.
Top universities now rise and fall based on their ability to poach and NOT be poached. Stanford has done a tremendous job of wooing faculty away from other top-flight schools, and retaining the all-stars it already has. This is how it’s improved from #12 to #2 in the med school world, and from #5-6 to possibly #1 in econ.
@Cue7 lol at the timing of the poaching comment as Booth just brought on a Cardinal.
what is a cardinal – as opposed to a bishop?
@Cue7 I Never said Chicago is outperforming Harvard or Stanford. It does not and never will. But Booth is right up there with Wharton.
A Stanford Cardinal.
The City of Chicago needs to become a hub for some big growing industry that creates a lot of wealth before UChicago and Northwestern can compete head on with the East coast and West Coast schools in the long run.
UChicago needs to partner with UIUC and Northwestern to make Chicago a better destination for successful startups. Maybe Biotech could find a comfortable home in Chicago
Interesting view on Booth. A little dated though. I think Booth is rated 5th this year by the Entrepreneur magazine
@denydenzig : Have you ever been to Chicago? There’s a ton of wealth being created there.
@JHS…“shhhh.” That fact is our secret!
I agree with @JHS and disagree with @denydenzig re wealth generation in Chicago - there’s a good climate for startups there.
I DO think, though, that the Chicago-area schools don’t collaborate nearly enough. While there is geographic distance between NU and U of C, why don’t the schools collaborate a little more? UChicago could also collaborate with Ill. Institute of Technology so that Chicago students could take some real engineering classes.
Maybe if schools open up some classroom space in the middle of the city, Chicago kids could take a Medill class, or NU students could take a Chicago sociology class - or maybe students from both schools could participate in weekend bootcamps or get certificates in different areas.
More collaboration could be a win-win for all schools involved. Just look at what Harvard and MIT do. Duke and UNC allow for inter-school registration too.
Why not do this at some Chicago-area schools?
Absolutely, and needs to be brought up with the President’s of NU and Uchicago.
The schools do collaborate to some extent. If you look at students doing post-docs, a large percentage of post-docs at NU came from UChicago, and the reverse is true as well.
That’s great, but that should be just the tip of the iceberg! NU and UChicago have great resources that both sets of students should be able to utilize, to some extent. Being able to take a Medill journalism class would be a draw for Chicago applicants, and opening up econ, sociology, poli sci, etc. Chicago classes to NU could draw more people to NU.
Put another way, I always felt the schools operated a bit like islands, and I’m not exactly sure why. Especially as east and west coast competitors get more competitive, the chicago-area schools should draw upon all available resources.
Maybe I’m missing something, though?
It’s not that wealth isn’t created in Chicago, it’s the fact that the engine for wealth creation isn’t centered around a growing and important industry like technology on the west coast or finance on the east coast. Chicago is also dwarfed when it comes to wealth creation by the coasts. I think there are visual maps that bear this out.
Chicago needs a wealth building anchor industry.
The University of Chicago and Northwestern are really too far apart to make it easy to take classes from one to the other. On public transportation, it would be more than an hour each way, and depending on the traffic it could be close to an hour by car. That’s a huge hurdle. And I think the academic calendars don’t synch, either.
I’ll just leave this here…
@Cue7. MIT and Harvard are both in Cambridge, a small suburb. The “L” train ride from UChicago to NU requires 2 transfers and would be SLOW. Taking the Metra train requires walking 7 blocks between train stations downtown. Driving is a straight shot down Lake Shore Drive and Sheridan Road, but traffic can be bad.
BUT Booth School of Business does have its Gleacher Center off North Michigan Ave. near the river and NU has space at its Medical and Law Schools north of that. So maybe it is possible after all… Each school could run shuttles or else it is a doable walk from either train. Not sure that creating this added synergy is necessary, though. Both schools are great in their own right.
They could cooperate but it would be selective. Say for example some sort of cooperation at the NU med complex in exchange for NU involvement in the Obama Center.
They could do something like what Columbia does for its engineering school. You attend a couple of quarters at a bunch of liberal arts partner colleges across the country and then move to Columbia and complete your engineering degree. A 3+2 program. UChicago and NU can do something similar. Spend two years in Chicago and then move to NW and get an engineering degree. A guaranteed transfer approach. A joint degree for example. Chicago could reciprocate for Economics or some other degree.
Agreed, your comfort level is not a good barometer of sh1t when it comes to Economics or Business Management. You are out of your depth and speaking about things you dont know.