University of Chicago vs Cambridge

Hey friends,

I am so happy to get offers to two of my Top choices, Uchic and Cambridge for economics. Sadly, I now have to choose between the 2 and am caught in a dilemma… I know that I’m dealing with two drastically different education systems - American vs British, Broad-based vs Depth, but I still hope to hear what your opinions are on what I should choose. I am neither American Nor British, so there is no inherent native country for me here ( I would be an international at both). After evaluation of all the pros and cons I’m leaning slightly towards Cambridge because of its higher reputation in my country, its lower fees, and the fact that it is 3-years, allowing me to complete another masters in the US faster. (A UK undergrad with US masters would be pretty neat in my opinion). I’m not sure how well a Cambridge economics degree will help me get a placement at Top universities for postgrad, and it would be great if any of you with information can help me. Thank you to all those who give me legitimate advice!

Congratulations! My son had to choose between Cambridge and UChicago last year. To be honest, it is a very personal choice and there is no wrong decision here. You have to ask yourself why you applied to two different systems (UK vs US) in the first place. You are comparing two different systems.

Cambridge
Graduate in 3 years
Just focus on one major
Top 2 to 5 in most world ranking
Most students are from UK and Europe
You can enrol in master program

UChicago
Graduate in 4 years
Core curriculum which make you a more well rounded person( and probably a more interesting person), may have a better training in writing ( and hence better communication skills)
Double majors allowed
Top 8-12 in most world ranking
International student body is more diverse
There is a program of study abroad in Cambrdige
Allow you to declare your major in second/third year, hence if you change your mind in your major, you can do it. (not in UK system)
In US, except professional school, you don’t do a master degree after undergrad. The student will be accepted to a reseach university as PhD candidate, if after 2 to 3 years, you show no potential to complete the PhD program, you will be granted a master degree.

My son is also an international student.

By a “US masters” do you mean an MBA or an MA? What kind of career do you aspire to (and where)?

@exacademic I would aim for an MA first as an MBA would require job experience before applying. I aspire to work in the financial sector in investment banks or consulting firms. I’m looking at both the UK and the US for my first job if possible.

Would graduating from Cambridge put me at a relative disadvantage for a job in the US since its a foreign university? Would I be disadvantaged in applying to a MA as well due to the different system?

@anaesabc Thanks for the points you have highlighted. I do value the broad based education that UChicago offers, and the different atmosphere of living in a city vs living in the small town of Cambridge. I understand that despite the differences in overall rankings, it seems that Uchicago trumps Cambridge on most rankings for Economics, which is what I would like to major in. I guess if I do a comparison I would get the following.

Cambridge
Higher overall ranking
Unique Tutorial System - One Prof to 2 or 3 students for intensive supervisions
3 years
Lower Fees
More reputable generally

UChicago
Higher ranking in Economics
Professors who are nobel laureates for economics - I guess this is one of the biggest draw for me personally, but I’m not sure if undergrads will get much interaction with them (could anyone help clarify?)
4 years
Higher Fees
Relative unknown to most people

I have no idea on how many Nobel laureates are still teaching in UChicago. For the “relative unknown to most people”, I can assure you that most people in finance know UChicago well, and in the academic world, UChicago has a very good reputation. Of course in places where the winner of a beauty contest got a degree in Cambridge, most ordinary people will know the school.

In your situation, I’d either go to Cambridge or investigate relevant immigration policies/trends/outcomes in both the US and the U.K. and choose the school in the country where you’re more likely to be able to get a first job.

Cambridge followed by a US based Masters degree in a related business specialty with some intervening years working would probably be the best path.

UChicago has big advantages, especially in your area of interest. Their undergraduate econ program is superb. After graduating from their undergrad program, you may be on the inside track for their graduate programs in econ or at their Booth School of Business (you can pick among finance, accounting, and other specializations for an MBA or Ph.D). In addition, you have the incomparable advantage of the common core which will make you a much better thinker and writer. It also helps you become a well-rounded person. Personally, I do not believe the narrowness of UK undergraduate and graduate education does their students any favor. If you want to live in the US, then UChicago is tops in econ or business. I did my undergrad at UChicago (loved it) and now teach at a US business school. In my own work I am constantly reading work done at UChicago. Cambridge puts out very little, at least in my areas (accounting and finance).

I had to make the same choice a few months ago, and I chose Chicago. Here’s why:

-The learning environment: When I visited Cambridge to interview, I spoke to about half a dozen students in the space of two days; almost everyone was holed up in his/her room studying. Maybe because students follow a very specific course of study, with perhaps 10 spaces in each college for that subject, there seemed to be little in the way of academic conversation outside a subject-specific peer group. That experience might differ from most students’, but it was one I found jarring. While I’m sure the U of C (“Where fun goes to die”) will be more like Cambridge than Penn State in terms of students’ focus on academics, my impression is that you’re more likely to discuss Nietzsche with a Biology major or a Russian major at Chicago than at Cambridge.

-Location: My visit to Cambridge left me with a clear impression. It’s a lovely town, and I can imagine living there would be wonderful. It’s a short train ride from London, which I couldn’t explore fully if I had a thousand lifetimes to do so. My visit to Chicago made just as much of an impact, I loved Hyde Park - from the character that restaurants like Harold’s Chicken Shack add to the presence of Robie House just off campus - and the world-class city, with its art institute and its Magnificent Mile and its countless neighborhoods, was right there. Both were places where I could happily live, but given the choice I preferred Chicago.

-Academic interests: I’m a prospective PoliSci major (or LLS if the major isn’t eliminated). A major positive, for me, was Chicago’s Institute of Politics. This aspect of the university has gotten a lot of attention recently, with Bernie Sanders delivering a speech or two at his alma mater and David Axelrod commenting on the presidential race, but there’s nothing new in the fact that Chicago’s a great place to study politics. Cambridge has a world-class HSPS department, too, of course. The tie-breaker here was my interest in US politics specifically, a topic that could be explored academically at Cambridge but is easier to study “on the ground” as well as in the classroom. I also liked the freedom to change major, if necessary - especially as I was starting to see drawbacks to the Cambridge program I’d applied to.

-The Core: This wasn’t a deal-maker or deal-breaker for me, but my preference was to choose a broad-based undergraduate education. Every course of study at Cambridge is highly specialized, while Chicago allows undergraduates to explore subjects beyond a major’s requirements.

My family’s circumstances were such that Cambridge had an advantage in cost, but not a large one, due to some merit money from Chicago and scholarships I can’t use in the UK. I don’t know what your situation is (don’t forget to factor in living costs - which Cambridge estimates will be about $15,000 for an international student - into your calculations), so I won’t comment any further on the financial aspect of this decision.

Some of the circumstances above were very specific to my academic interests, while others are more general. As several posters have mentioned, Chicago has a world-class economics department. Some have their reservations, because it’s a famous (infamous?) bastion of neoclassical thought, but there are few things I consider more important in an education than encountering different ideas and viewpoints, even if I disagree with some of them. If this is your view as well, there are few better choices than a degree in economics from the U of C.

Both Chicago and Cambridge have a lot to offer, and it’s hard for you to go wrong here. Whatever you choose, good luck.

@firebrand i’m currently in the same situation! I’m an international student too but I’m going to be studying history. Right now I’m mostly leaning towards Cambridge but people have scared me saying that I won’t get job opportunities etc if i don’t go to the USA. Is this true? In Cambridge I can switch to law in my second year which is what I ultimately want to do. Are the job opportunities better from UChicago or Cambridge?

@myself111 A Cambridge degree is not going to be a disadvantage in the US job market. Whoever told you that you can’t get a job in the US with a Cambridge education doesn’t know what he/she is talking about.

However, you should be aware that it’s very difficult to switch subjects in the UK - unlike the US system. Otherwise, Cambridge would see a flood of students pursuing the (major with higher acceptance rate) --> Cambridge Law track. You’ll also need to study US jurisprudence before practicing here.

Cambridge’s name recognition is greater than Chicago’s, and will be for some time.

@NotVerySmart ahh okay that’s what I thought, thank you for dispelling that information. Even If I am unable to switch to law in my second year, I want to go to law school in the US too so having a degree from Cambridge would be able to get me into the top law schools right (provided i do well etc) as in there’s no disadvantage? And will I have to complete some sort of bridging course due to the 3yr undergrad vs 4yr undergrad to study at law school in the U.S?

@anaesabc is a little wrong in saying people don’t get terminal MA or MS degrees in academic subjects (like economics) in the U.S., other than in the course of washing out of PhD programs. In fact, it’s quite common, and even more common if you look at fields on the borderline between academic subjects and professional-school subjects, like finance. Chicago and Harvard don’t offer terminal masters programs in economics, but Columbia, Berkeley, and Duke do, among many others.

That said, I don’t think there would be any advantage for a Cambridge economics BA to get an MA or MS in economics from a US university. First, because you will likely be past that level anyway when you get your BA degree – the Cambridge BA is three full years of economics and math, a Chicago economics BA is more like two full years of economics and math, maybe 2-1/2, and at many U.S. universities it will be less. Second, because once you have your Cambridge BA it becomes an automatic MA two or three years later, so within a short period of time you are going to have that master’s degree anyway. Also – if you want to go to law school in the US, top US law schools love Oxbridge grads. The additional credential wouldn’t get you more interest.

Cambridge vs. Chicago is a great choice to have. You are thinking about the right factors, but I would urge you to focus less on what you think each will mean in the job or professional school market and more on what kind of education and college experience you want. If you become the best-educated, most engaged person you can, the rest will take care of itself.

@JHS -

JHS is absolutely correct. If the OP does get an undergraduate finance degree, for a masters, the best route would be to get a terminal masters in a complementary industry. For instance, a finance bachelors coupled with a hotel management masters will lead to some great opportunities in the hospitality industry. Same with a MPH if you want to be a CFO of a hospital group.