<p>Seriously? We’re going to start judging the schools by how deep the cleavage is of their most uninhibited coeds? Do tell us how Michigan ranks in this hierarchy, rjkofnovi! And then, by all means, please share a photo of yourself in your prime years in Ann Arbor because, you know, we’re all waiting here with bated breath. </p>
<p>:)
Let us note this has become a thread for old-timers/adults, since OP hasn’t resurfaced in a while.</p>
<p>so noted :-" </p>
<p>“Do tell us how Michigan ranks in this hierarchy, rjkofnovi! And then, by all means, please share a photo of yourself in your prime years in Ann Arbor because, you know, we’re all waiting here with bated breath.”</p>
<p>Lucie: Have you actually read this thread? I was not the one who initially brought up the attractiveness of coeds. My response was tongue in cheek. It does appear however that the 'Bama folk are very serious about how good looking their student body is. In the meantime, you will be turning blue before I ever put a picture of myself out for public inspection here on CC. :-)</p>
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<p>lol…more like with blindfolded eyes.</p>
<p>;)</p>
<p>Actually, rjk, I have been reading this thread. </p>
<p>IMHO, it’s one thing to comment on the general attractiveness of the student body (and, personally, I don’t think that’s particularly relevant either) and another to post a link to some really demeaning blog featuring women in various states of un- or under-dress. </p>
<p>I’m sure this has all been really helpful to the OP, who’s probably running from all three schools at this point!</p>
<p>Tongue-in-cheek is very hard to carry off in a forum like this. That it is so is also hard to learn for those of us given to t-i-c humor. I caught the humor because the website was so over the top and uncharacteristic of rjk–as was the “Go Auburn” from the president of the CC UMich Cheering Section. Lucie, in rjk’s defense, he was trying to be funny, I think.</p>
<p>"Is that a picture of you barrons? If so, I would say it was taken at least 30 years ago, if not more.</p>
<p>Yes (45 or so years ago actually) and I said the same when I first put it up here. That’s my ready to go to college in my beat-up bug pix. Doing my best James Dean. You’ll have to adjust for the present day but I still drive German. And have 1 from about same year as that pix. But it’s now worth six figures. Maybe I’ll update some time. </p>
<p>I honestly was going to say over 40 years barrons, but I didn’t want to date you too much. </p>
<p>^^Hmm, sounds like an early 911. Those have really shot up lately. Topic for another forum I guess…</p>
<p>No worries, jkeil. I’ve read enough here to know that rjk is a very proud Michigan booster, and that’s okay, but I do worry for the OP. And, believe me, I’ve gotten into hot water myself from time to time trying to make a joke on CC! </p>
<p>you’re not alone in that, Lucie. I, too, have erred on the side of incomprehensibility or insult.</p>
<p>I think they (early 911s) are a great topic for any forum. :-)</p>
<p>I have 3 early 911 S models. 1969, 70 and 73. I bought them all over 20 years ago when they were still “cheap” . Worth more than my 401K now. But then I’d have to sell them so… I’ll let my wife do that when I no longer have a say–or we are eating cat food. </p>
<p>Nicely done! I only bought one, but it’s a 73 RS. Bought right after I graduated from college 30 years ago, and now may need to sell it to send my kids!</p>
<p>That works. Congrats. Always just beyond my grasp and now------well you know.</p>
<p>I have been following this thread with great interest. We are planning a visit to Alabama the first week of April which is also Honors Day so we may get to see some things we may not normally get to see. We will be visiting both the Honors College and the Biology department. She has full tuition scholarships to both Alabama and Ohio Univ. Alabama would ultimately be about 2K less per year for us because room and board is significantly cheaper there than it is at Ohio University. We will probably make that up in travel expenses, however. So the 2 would probably be about equal out of pocket. The quality of the education is my primary concern but I need to temper that with affordability. In regards to the tutorials offered thru the Honors Tutorial College, I believe she would take one Tutorial per semester. She would not have to take any gen ed requirements or pre-reqs for any of her classes. She gets to map out a plan that best meets her objectives, gets first picks on research opportunites and class scheduling and builds one on one reationships with faculty. The Honors Tutorial College at Ohio University is extremely small in comparison to other honors programs I have encountered and I truly believe she would get one-on-one attention that she could not get elsewhere. I have read alot about the evils of Plus loans and have come to the sad conclusion that University of Michigan is either for in state residents or very wealthy out of state residents. Middle class families like us just can’t afford it. I have three more kids to do this with and have learned so much with this first experience and will probably stear clear of the elites knowing that they are just out of reach for middle class families no matter how bright the child.</p>
<p>I think a lot has to be said for doing the best with what you have. Also reviewing the entire ‘package’.</p>
<p>Some of the faculty comments is a bit of snobbery IMHO. Why bring up all these other schools, faculty salaries etc? Faculty seek tenure and get where they get. Some endowed chair gets funded to bring in faculty with drawing power.</p>
<p>UA is the state flagship and the faculty are good. My daughter at UAB has no complaints about faculty there. I have talked to some of the faculty and reviewed CV info - seems fine. Graduates of UA do well - go on to work or go on to higher education/advanced degree(s).</p>
<p>IMHO one can often get more ‘value’ $ to $ at a private school than paying OOS tuition for a public university - of course a scholarship may mean the difference one way or the other. UMich out of financial reach for this family. It is out of reach for my family and to me it doesn’t offer the value.</p>
<p>Sounds like financially UA and OU is level playing field for this family. Now all the other factors will weigh in once they finish their UA visit and review. Maybe even visit OU again if UA puts a ‘spell’ on the student/family (I have heard from a lot of OOS students and families how their opinion of UA changed once they visited). Many came after they saw what kind of scholarship their student was eligible for, and to see if the school was worthwhile to further consider.</p>
<p>Our family has done a lot at AU and UA. I have always liked UA and so has my daughter. I have liked it even more with all the STEM upgrades and engineering developments. We were thrilled with our daughter’s scholarships. I looked at the civil engineering curriculum and compared it to UW-M and MSOE just to see how it stacked up (other family members attended). Very consistent. </p>
<p>My daughter was invited to apply to the STEM MBA and was accepted (take business courses during undergraduate curriculum, then take an additional year to complete MBA.</p>
<p>Choosing a college is going to be a personal decision on what school provides the kind of educational opportunities this student and family is seeking. Also influenced by where the student is going to be happy and therefore going to thrive</p>
<p>Good luck and let us know what you decide…szvx4x</p>
<p>@szvx4x : just a word of caution - do not forget elite <em>privates</em>, as those have the best financial aid. Look at the list of 100% colleges (colleges that promise to meet 100% need for all admitted students). Although these colleges calculate “need” differently, their offers can amount to full tuition for middle class families (to full ride for lower income families or families with several kids in college). However, public universities have suffered great budget cuts and have been designed to serve their state’s students first, so they don’t offer financial aid to OOs applicants - only UNC-Ch meets need for OOS applicants, and the competition to get in is as fierce as for any Ivy; UVA used to have this policy but still offers financial aid for OOS applicants it wants. Other public universities offer either merit for stats or nothing.
Please let us know what you decide.
However, if the HTC only offers 1 tutorial per semester, even if she were to take regular sophomore classes as a freshman, it may still not be “worth it” for her. Then again it may well be enough to have one intensive, small-group/individual class per semester. Let us know how the UA visit goes and how it stacks up for your child. it’ll be interesting for us all, including readers pondering the same question as you. 
Good luck! There can’t be a wrong choice. :)</p>
<p>@MYOS1634 - you say to look at the list of “100% schools” - what is that? I know we won’t be considered for much if any need based aid based on what the FAFSA calculates our EFC so I guess I am thinking we would be better off focusing on schools that offer merit based aid. It is too late to change course with my daughter but I will be gearing up with my son this year and perhaps I should be looking in a different direction??</p>
<p>Besides Alabama, do any of the “better” public schools offer merit aid to OOS students?</p>