I’m a big fan of Cal and UCLA as schools, being a long time Californian, but UCLA just hired Mike Cronin, after almost no one else wanted the coaching job. And Chip Kelly will probably get fired soon. He’s terrible. He caught lightning in a bottle at Oregon, but failed with the Eagles and 49ers.
But the bottom line is always talent/recruiting and UCLA and Cal are thin in both sports. In terms of football, the 2019 24/7 recruitment rankings have both Cal and UCLA in the 40’s. And they’re not even in the Top 50 for 2020, though we’re still early in the process there, but that’s a lot of ground to make up.
As an Oregonian, I’m still surprised that REED College is only on par with Willamette University at 68th. Although they got bumped up 22 positions from 90. Also surprising that Lewis and Clark only 4 positions away at 72nd. Reed 50% SAT range is like 1320-1530 for 2023 and Willamette is barely 800/1350 (YES 800 for the 25% percentile).
Either one can be true, depending on which side of their OOS aid ceiling you fall.
In recent years, the ceiling was $90K. If I’m not mistaken, they claimed to meet demonstrated need for OOS admits who fell below that. I don’t know if that has changed.
At tip top private colleges, if there is a ceiling, it would tend to be double that, or more.
Families with annual income even in the low $200Ks can expect to see some “need based” aid from many of the Ivies/NESCAC/peer schools. But then, their sticker prices are higher than Michigan’s.
Re: University of Michigan out-of-state financial aid
https://npc.collegeboard.org/app/umich suggests that the University of Michigan financial aid cliff for out-of-state students is somewhere between $77k and $78k parental income, where the net price jumps from around $19k to $37k (Alabama resident, married parents, family of 3, parent wage/salary income only, no assets of any kind).
There’s a reason: Reed doesn’t return the questionnaire to US News, so the magazine editors (Who wants college rankings by magazine editors?) assign “N/A” to the various unanswered fields (have a look). Reed cooperates with non-profit publications that don’t rank.
@theloniusmonk . . . It’ll get ugly. But the team’ll show improvement by year’s end. And since two years of futility is the going rate of installing one’s system, like WSU and U-Dub, I think next year will show a turnaround.
My apologies for the digression. Chip Kelly was never a good recruiter and he never liked defense. And talent is the lifeblood of success. Mora did an OK job, but some of that talent has already left the building. And the 2019 Class was bad. 2020 isn’t looking good either. Sorry, Bruin fans, it’s going to get worse.
It is really important to note: this ranking system is based largely on “input” and does not include many very significant “output” indicators. The output oriented lists often do not line up with the input-oriented lists.
So… it is fine to look at this list, but… if you want a better understanding of the education you will get at each school, output-oriented factors are probably more meaningful.
Output is related to input, so consideration of output measures must be relative to expected output for the given input. Graduation rates are an output measure used by USNWR rankings, but they are mostly based on input (admission selectivity). What USNWR calls “graduation rate performance” is more of an isolation of the treatment effect of the college, rather than a measure of mostly the input, but USNWR gives it a much lower weight than raw graduation rates.