<p>What on earth are you talking about??? UF’s IFAS has research facilities all over the state that undergrad and graduate students go to take classes or work on research projects. Let’s not forget that UF has raised over $80 Million in donations alone for it’s IFAS department over the last couple of years.</p>
<p>Well, if UF can apply the resources of IFAS to per-student funding for US News rankings then FSU should be able to equally claim the budgets and resources of each and every of the 60 teaching hospitals, clinics, MD offices and the 1500 MDs who teach at the med school. Seems fair to me. It’s all about the students, right? Who’s to say Sarasota Memorial Health Care System, with a roughly 1/2 billion dollar budget per year, isn’t about teaching FSU students? </p>
<p>Talk about a US News ranking bump! FSU’s per-student funding would start to look like Harvard’s, Yale’s, UCB’s and others…put together.</p>
<p>I think the new ranking comes out in August.</p>
<p>Is physics or chemistry or political science or meteorology or the other solid programs at Florida State a “limited artistic program”? That’s new to me.</p>
<p>The difference is, FSU doesn’t own or operate any of the “60 teaching hospitals, clinics, or MD offices” where the budgets to run those hospitals, clinics, and offices are not solely for FSU’s College of Medicine. FSU COM has a partnership of some type with these facilities where the vast majority of the operating budgets at these facilities have absolutely nothing to do with FSU. Therefore FSU has no claim to any of it.</p>
<p>The majority of IFAS money goes directly to UF’s College of Agricultural and Life Sciences where that money is used to offer undergraduate degree programs all over the state. This is why UF and all the other aggricultural/land-grant universities correctly add those budgets to their total reported budgets to USNews.</p>
<p>Your FSU’s COM analogy doesn’t apply the way UF’s IFAS applies.</p>
<p>I don’t agree. Undergraduate degree programs are not the central purpose of IFAS, state agricultural is; yet UF is richly rewarded by US News for being the state agricultural college, an indirect application at best to teaching undergraduates basic studies in Gainesville. The budgeting advantage enjoyed by UF in this area is considerable and should not be rewarded by rating services.</p>
<p>There’s likely no way to tell for sure, but this is probably the second biggest overrating of UF, with the peer review being the first.</p>
<p>The problem with such magazine ratings is that they acquire more authority than should be accorded them and they then generate an almost (hopefully serious students see through such nonsense) self-fulfilling outcome. Many of the exaggerated statements by UF fans on this board are reasonable evidence of this reinforcement loop of nonsense.</p>
<p>I would offer that if UF can claim IFAS funding per US News undergraduate ratings, FSU should rightfully be able to claim the billions and billions in distributed FSU Med resources, since those assets are directly involved in the preparation of FSU students, both undergrads and graduates, for service to the State of Florida and the United States.</p>
<p>Now you reworded your assertion by adding “undergraduates basic studies in GAINESVILLE”. lol UF offers undergraduate degrees in other facilities around the state outside of Gainesville. If a student wants to student tropical fruit agriculture than it makes complete sense that the student get their degree while working at one of the South Florida facilities that focuses on that type of agriculture so they get hands on research experience.</p>
<p>Again, FSU has absolutely ZERO claim to any of the money that all these clinics and hospitals make because FSU has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with any of it. Your analogy would equate to UF adding Pepsi’s complete revenue (because of Gatorade), all the money that the Moffitt Cancer Center makes (since they are partners), all the money that the Burnham Institute makes (since they are partners), all the money that was invested in CERN’s collider (since UF designed, engineered, and manufactured one of the main detectors of the entire project), all the money invested in making the largest telescope ever made in history (since UF designed all the electronics, cameras, and detection mechanisms) etc… basically meaning your FSU COM analogy really doesn’t apply in this case.</p>
<p>But on the other hand, IFAS money directly funds UF’s CALS that is directly run by University of Florida professors and its students where they work together to study agriculture to benefit its customers in the State of Florida (all the counties, food industries, etc), the United States(USDA, FDA, NASA space research, etc), and the World (I know many international corporations and governments work with UF’s IFAS professors and students to engineer all times of agriculture related products). </p>
<p>UF is “richly rewarded” by the money its IFAS department makes because it is money that is directly operated and controlled by UF that it uses for research and education of its students.</p>
<p>Sorry, we’ll have to agree to disagree on IFAS. UF should be allowed what minimal comfort IFAS provides to actual undergraduates in Gainesville, not the entirety of the state agriculture extension apparatus in all 67 counties. It overstates the investment UF makes in students, in the form of the US News undergraduate ratings, as it simultaneously understates the educational quality of schools like FSU.</p>
<p>If UF gets the IFAS bump, FSU should get state-wide FSU Med monies credited to them likewise. I’m sure UF also gets a lift from Shands, a teaching hospital, likewise should FSU Med get credit from the wealth of the teaching hospitals it uses to train students.</p>
<p>If we had this kind of matching we’d have a more accurate snapshot of educational quality in the two flagship schools.</p>
<p>Happy Fourth of July! Instead of creating fireworks in cyberspace I’m going to facilitate the real thing. :)</p>
<p>p2n, I think you’re being a little delusioNole here. You’re not getting it. The operating funds of those clinics that FSU COM partners with is not money to FSU. Again, that is like calming that UF should include PepiCo’s income as UF’s… makes absolutely no sense! I’ll say it again… IFAS money is money that goes to CALS that is used by professors and students to study agriculture where the intended customer is the state of Florida agriculture industry.</p>
<p>Shands was created by UF to serve SOLELY as the teaching hospital for the UF college of medicine. FSU’s college of medicine partnered up with already existing clinics that already have their own operating budgets. Therefore that relationship isn’t as coupled as the UF/Shands relationship. In fact, many of those clinics and hospitals that FSU partners with also partner with other medical schools in the state.</p>
<p>Again, your FSU med analogy is not even close.</p>
<p>I found strange that FSU has a partners page on their med school website, from like say, Daytona:</p>
<p>If you click on the first link for the “Bert Fish Medical Center”, you will be taken to Bert Fish’s website. If you click on their “about us” page they list all the schools they are partnered with… but they don’t list FSU. Why is that?</p>
<p>I’m sick of people classifying state universities!</p>
<p>If you want to be a Doctor or Engineer, go where the hell you want! Not all Doctors or Engineers in Florida come from UF! So get a life with that BS</p>
<p>Well, sorry gfg but I cannot agree with your analysis of the appropriateness of including the IFAS advantage into a boost for UF while FSU either cannot or does not get the same US news bump.</p>
<p>No idea about the Bert Fish association.</p>
<p>The Florida Legislature created both Shands and the UF Med school around 1956, I recall. UF cannot create such entities on its own.</p>
<p>You’re an FSU supporter, you’re going to try to disagree as much as you can. But you have no proof that IFAS doesn’t support undergrads. On the other hand, UF has literature all over their websites showing how IFAS money is used for professors and students.</p>
<p>My point is, Shands and UF COM was created for each other… Unlike all the other facilities that FSU COM is partnered with that you’re trying to suggest rolling up their operating funds into FSU’s operating costs. Analogy doesn’t fit.</p>
<p>No, I’m a real, live, FSU graduate - not a wannabee. I disagree when I think it’s right. I don’t just to be contrary…otherwise I’d be up in the political forum. (Ugh) Further, FSU and UF are very deeply intertwined in many areas and to skewer UF ultimately results in skewering my alma mater.</p>
<p>I know you’re an FSU graduate… never implied you’re a wannabe. In fact, I know many graduates of many schools that are not really supporters of their school. Being a supporter of any organization probably means a lot more than just being from it.</p>
<p>You can disagree. But you’re basing it on opinion rather than facts. You made the claim that money to UF’s IFAS shouldn’t be included into the US News report. The only thing you provided was that you thought it shouldn’t. That’s fine if you just want to provide your opinion. But to make a claim like that I think you should provide proof that UF doesn’t use the IFAS money for processors and students.</p>
<p>I can easily show you proof that warrants the addition of the monies in US News.</p>
You’re not getting it. The operating funds of those clinics that FSU COM partners with is not money to FSU. Again, that is like calming that UF should include PepiCo’s income as UF’s… makes absolutely no sense! I’ll say it again… IFAS money is money that goes to CALS that is used by professors and students to study agriculture where the intended customer is the state of Florida agriculture industry.</p>