@Publisher wrote:
So, Middlebury>Cornell>Hopkins>Georgetown (assuming those relative EPS are correct?)
Cal Berkeley housing issue affects other metrics.
Dropping the acceptance rate factor seems to be a move in the right direction as far as rankings go. I wonder if this change will lead to fewer schools putting so much focus on ED applications.
“Some noted above that several UC schools climbing the national rankings ladder. I think demographics will drive this to continue. As population continues to increase in California but the number of UCs stays the same, applications will increase and selectivity will continue. So long as adequate state funding continues, the UCs should continue to climb.”
Completely agree…UC Riverside positioned very well for the future with all the hard numbers increasing every year…has grown five fold since I went there a long time ago, now has the first new medical school in 50 years in California, and Riverside County is the third fastest growing county IN THE NATION projected through the year 2065!
Demand is outstripping supply in the University of California System (at all 9 locations) and they will not be building any new campuses for a very long time…will keep moving up!
University @ Buffalo (SUNY) moved up 8 places to 89. Its really a great school now.
While that doesn’t get most people on CC too excited, it is great to see Buff getting the same recognition as Bing and SB since NY does not have a true flagship due to some historical anomalies (Cornell being the Land Grant School) and NY politics.
Hopefully NY keeps up the funding for the four University centers since they are pushing enrollment and the Excelsior Scholarship (free tuition if your family income is < $125K) is keeping more kids in NY. Also, UB really needs to get Baidu’s founder to donate big time. Robin Li is the founder and went to UB for a CS PhD. He dropped out after a Masters,founded the company and still talks fondly of his time at UB . $25-50 Million would probably get the entire school of Engineering&CS named after him. That barely buys 1 building at an ivy. He is worth ~$18 billion.
Changes in the ranking system decrease the utility of comparisons between this year and last except with regard to discussing the merits of the specific changed factors as reflected in a college’s change in ranking.
Changed factors mentioned in prior posts include dropping acceptance rate, reducing academic factors of test scores and high school rankings, and including graduation rate for Pell grant recipients. To what extent will these changes affect college admissions behavior?
For example, is being a Pell grant recipient the new hook?
Wow and you think that is a good thing as more and more Californian are left out of there own public universities.
@CU123, I believe @Fisherman99 was seconding an observation and prediction, not evaluating the morality of the trend.
@WildestDream Gainesville has been a top program in engineering, since the 1950s and Florida has invested in higher education at a very high dollar level. Georgia Tech students are bussed down to Gainesville for their Swamp Hackathon and I would say that Gainesville is rapidly approaching GaTech for quality, although its a bigger school, with a very top research medical school as well, so broader than GaTech. Gainesville has one of the top heart transplant programs in the country, so their Medical and premedical is also A+. Gainesville’s Dean of Engineering is an MIT/Stanford Grad in materials science.
Is there a place on USNWR to view what the ranking was last year?
Having UC Riverside being seen as moving up in the rankings nationally will I think help that large batch of CA kids who qualify for UC admission but not the higher tier UCs. Up until recently Riverside was kind of seen as the consolation prize, at least when offers came out in March.
- Williams
- Amherst
- Swarthmore
- Wellesley
- Bowdoin
- Middlebury
- Pomona
- Carleton
- Claremont
- Davidson
- Washington and Lee
- Smith
- Vassar
- Grinnell ( big jump up )
- Haverford ( big jump up )
- Colgate
- Hamilton
- Harvy Mudd
- USMA
- Wesleyan
- Colby ( bump down )
- USNA
- Bates
- Soka ( Big jump up )
- Barnard
- Richmond
- Colorado College
- Macalester
- Bryn Mawr
- Mount Holyoke ( bump up )
- Scripts
- USAFA
- Kenyon
- Oberlin
- Holy Cross
- Lafayette
- Bucknell
- Franklin & Marshall
- Union
- Occidental
- Union
- Union, my mistake.
There’s only one Union and it was listed at 39 for this year.
@circuitrider: A 'factor" in a rating system, not a decisive ranking of schools.
There are many other factors to consider including, but not limited to, size of endowment & research budgets. Many other factors as well.
The change of the methodology helped a lot of state universities, e.g., Rutgers jumped a lot. I never understand why Notre Dame is always ranked so high. My opinion is that it is at most at the level of NYU or Rochester.
The focus on social mobility & Pell grant recipients may encourage schools with large endowments to move toward more generous financial aid grants before calls for the endowment tax to increase.
ND’s peer/academic reputation is similar to NYU and Rochester. It’s just that ND has a lot more $$$, which helps its rankings.
Re: UCR - UCR would have been our go-to for S if not for his NMF status (he took a full ride elsewhere). It’s still on the list as a med school target for him. It’s a fine school that doesn’t deserve the slings and arrows often cast its way.
@Fisherman99 U of Cal Riverside is tied for rank #85 and not #35. Georgia Tech is tied at #35 along with Brandeis and UF Gainesville.
@Dawala282 I think UC Santa Barbara hired up many top science professors and has other good programs, and also good outcomes. For whatever reason, STEM seems to dominate the top ranked schools given that MIT gets such a high rank, and really does not have a proper English department. I don’t know that National Ranks make a lot of sense when Caltech is compared to more broadly focused schools. Caltech does not offer business, or English or economics in any real depth, its focused on science and math over broadly based engineering curriculum, in fact, so I don’t see how it can be ranked against more diverse curriculums, they are not the same at all.
So take rankings with a grain of salt.
I would make a technical school rank, and take Caltech out of this rank, maybe. Maybe MIT as well, but then people will argue about that. The military academies end up in the liberal arts ranking and they are specialized too.
^wondering if the military academies even count their Pell grant recipients (doesn’t that require FAFSA?)