<p>^ For the Class of 2013, 96% of those ranked were in the top 10% of their high school classes:</p>
<p>[College</a> Search - University of Pennsylvania - Penn - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)</p>
<p>For virtually all of the top 10 or so schools, that number is somewhere in the 90s, so there’s really not much of a difference.</p>
<p>Actually, most of the top high schools don’t report their students’ rankings to avoid that very problem. If you read further on those academic profiles, it usually says that only about 40% of students had reported ranks.</p>
<p>i’d love to see Boston College finally break the top 30 maybe move up to like 27 or 25?</p>
<p>anyone else think that’s possible?</p>
<p>Where do you think Bowdoin/Middlebury/Wellesley/Pomona will rank?</p>
<p>Guys, chill on this ok.
Nobody is going to move more than two or three spots either way and none of this really matters anyway.</p>
<p>@Swimrat7: BC is a wonderful school. The education they offer is the same regardless if they stayed at 35 or moved up ten spots. Don’t worry about this.</p>
<p>soze, there are often universities that rise or drop more than 5 spots in one year. That’s the USNWR for you.</p>
<p>“Where do you think Bowdoin/Middlebury/Wellesley/Pomona will rank?”</p>
<p>Midd and Wellesley will tie for fourth again, because Midd just keeps getting better and better and Wellesley is Wellesley. There’s no way the Unholy Trinity will be broken, so that’s how the loaded dice will role. And, Pomona and Bowdoin will tie for sixth again, the former due to East Coast bias and the latter because it doesn’t traditionally compare with the mentioned LACs in prestige, or at least in Peer Assessment.</p>
<p>I don’t understand all this Cornell snobbery. Why are we not as good as Penn? And why on earth do our rankings deserve to go down? or stay steady? or go up even?</p>
<p>You know why this is ridiculous? The whole REASON why you guys think Cornell is worse to begin with is simply BECAUSE of these rankings. Your intuition is all BASED on these rankings, your preconceptions of the quality of these schools without ever knowing anything about them. When you look at these rankings, of course it looks like Cornell is the bottom (but what about Brown?). That’s just because of prestige. And guess what? “Prestige” seems to stem almost completely from these stupid rankings. </p>
<p>Talk about circular logic.</p>
<p>I don’t think you can blame the rankings for Cornell. Despite the rankings, people see Brown and Penn as pretty similar. Cornell’s problem is that it’s the largest and least selective, often seen as a back-up, and prestige is largely about exclusivity rather than any particular measure of quality.</p>
<p>Gotta agree with cherokeejew on that one gosnia, Cornell isn’t bad, its just not as exclusive as many of the other ivies.</p>
<p>gosnia is actually spot on.</p>
<p>Goly Bejeezus, you people are predicting a complete restructuring of the ranking system.</p>
<p>Truth: The rankings won’t change much. Maybe a couple of schools will move a couple of spots up or down, but it’s all the same in the end.</p>
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<p>Oh I’m really not sure about that:</p>
<p>[What</a> May Change in Upcoming College Rankings - Morse Code: Inside the College Rankings (usnews.com)](<a href=“http://www.usnews.com/blogs/college-rankings-blog/2010/06/04/what-may-change-in-upcoming-college-rankings.html]What”>http://www.usnews.com/blogs/college-rankings-blog/2010/06/04/what-may-change-in-upcoming-college-rankings.html)</p>
<p>[Your</a> Thoughts?and Our Responses?on College Rankings Changes - Morse Code: Inside the College Rankings (usnews.com)](<a href=“http://www.usnews.com/blogs/college-rankings-blog/2010/06/10/your-thoughts-and-our-responses-on-college-rankings-changes.html]Your”>http://www.usnews.com/blogs/college-rankings-blog/2010/06/10/your-thoughts-and-our-responses-on-college-rankings-changes.html)</p>
<p>they’re adding high school counselor opinion, yield and lowering the weight of traditional peer assessment. these are big changes to the methodology and could yield significant changes (moves of +/- 3-6 spots in the top 25)</p>
<p>because of methodology changes the following schools will:</p>
<p>probably move up a lot: Brown, Cornell, Georgetown
probably move up a little: Yale, Dartmouth, Columbia, Northwestern, USC, UVA, UNC
probably not move: MIT, Harvard, Upenn, Rice, Stanford
probably move down a little: Duke, Princeton, UC Berkeley, UCLA, UMich
probably move down a lot: U Chicago, Caltech, Emory, Vanderbilt, Carnegie Mellon, Wash U</p>
<p>slightly old yield data (only big change is princeton’s yield dropping after ending early):</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/429673-acceptance-rates-yield-rates-top-usnwr-nat-l-unis-lacs.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/429673-acceptance-rates-yield-rates-top-usnwr-nat-l-unis-lacs.html</a></p>
<p>approx counselor opinions:</p>
<p>[Best</a> Colleges: High School Counselor Rankings of National Universities | Facebook](<a href=“http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=189364600074&topic=9546]Best”>http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=189364600074&topic=9546)</p>
<p>The fact is, HYPSM, after that, who cares.
You can’t break tradition. Even if Duke moves up before Stanford for some miraculous reason, it’s still Stanford>>>Duke</p>
<p>But thanks for giving your opinion.</p>
<p>Honestly, from year to year, a school’s status does not dramatically increase or decrease. Maybe there are some variances in yield rates, amount of applications, etc. But it’s not like 2010 was some “magic” year. The same schools have stayed at the top, the same schools in the middle, etc.</p>
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<p>tradition has been broken too many times already, Columbia lost considerable prestige through the late 60s, 70s and 80s, because NYC sucked, because they had bad management in the 60s, could not attract top profs. It used to be Harvard, Yale, Columbia until the 60s. Stanford was no where until the 60s, 70s. Upenn used to be thought of as a safety school for top applicants 15-20 years ago. Pecking orders do change, as do rankings and rankings affect people’s perceptions (unfortunately).</p>
<p>Columbia, was never like HYP. It may have been close, like it is today, but it’s not. See the classic novels.</p>
<p>Perceptions have remained pretty constant. My grandfather was a Jew at Cornell Med school, in the 50s, and he had great spite for HYP (especially Princeton) because they were not “open” at that time.</p>
<p>confidentialcoll, interesting perspective. However, couldn’t you argue that Berkeley would be climbing up the ranks because many high school counselors view it as a peer to HYPS?</p>
<p>Adding yield to the equation will encourage universities to rely more heavily on ED. Not a good idea.</p>
<p>^I, also, am interested in confidentialcoll’s perspective. My own view is that given the national media’s focus on the funding problems at the UC system (including Berkeley), high school counselors are in the process of downgrading Berkeley (right or wrong). Unlike middle-age academics with a long-term focus on these issues, many high school counselors are focused on recent history (right or wrong).</p>
<p>As an aside, I’m curious about the “classic novels,” iCalculus. To which are you referring?</p>