Alex, I think your analysis is a little off here. First off, unless you elect to report the scores, applicants to universities only need to submit their highest ACT score. Also, if their SAT scores are higher, than students typically stick with those and don’t even bother to submit their ACT results. Collegeboard records the scores on all SAT/SAT II exams taken by students unlike the ACT testing service so THE ENTIRE TESTING PROFILE of applicants are sent to universities by Collegeboard.</p>
<p>Also, just because 100% of students submit the ACT AND/OR the SAT, that DOES NOT MEAN that not a single applicant submitted both. Think about the statement you made logically. For all we know, 100% of applicants submitted BOTH the SAT and the ACT, which doesn’t negate the statement that 100% of applicants submit the ACT AND/OR the SAT.</p>
<p>For instance, let’s say that everyone eats an apple AND/OR an orange. That does not mean that everyone can’t eat both and apple and an orange, either an apple or an orange or simply a mix of both fruits. The proposition still categorically stands.</p>
<p>I think Alexandre is right. By definition…schools that only report one score for each student whether it is an ACT or SAT score…are going to have higher scores than if the same schools included multiple test scores for students. Unless schools that only report one score per student are not reporting the higher score. ;)</p>
<p>Think about it. </p>
<p>Get a piece of paper and write it out.</p>
<p>Can be significant too…</p>
<p>because these are medians.</p>
<p>If I can drop half of my bottom 20% of students…that shifts my 25-50-</p>
<p>75% numbers to </p>
<p>32-55-79%.</p>
<p>Right Xiggi?</p>
<p>If I can drop half of my bottom 40% that would make my 25-50-75% </p>
<p>numbers that are reported really my 40-60-80 numbers.</p>
<p>Right Xiggi?</p>
<p>I don’t know…comparing 25-75% scores with 40-80% scores…I guess that is objective for some people.</p>
<p>Then it depends which scores are dropped to figure out what the scores are for the new percentiles. </p>
<p>I need you to check my work, Xiggi…after I screwed up that math average question months ago. Seriously.</p>
<p>In the prior post…I should have said in one of the examples…drop half the bottom 40% of the scores and don’t drop the 40th percentile score…
Just to be accurate…;)</p>
<p>Now it doesn’t matter which scores are dropped in my example…:)</p>
<p>Alexandre, the evidence does NOT support any of the points you raise here, </p>
<p>It is entirely possible for a school to report LESS than 100% of students submitting either the SAT or ACT. I offered the example of Stanford. Now, if you believe that Stanford is playing games with the SAT/ACT totals, that is up to you. I would think that if they were to doctor the results, they’d try to at least report 100 percent total.</p>
<p>The scores that are not reported are not obfuscated; they simply do not exist. As I told DStark, you might wonder why this could happen. A hint or two: think countries where neither the SAT or ACT are offered, and the fact that the scores are for ENROLLED students. </p>
<p>As far as the superscoring, I can only point to the almost perfect correlation between ACT and SAT scores’ differences in comparative analyses. In the future, it should be easy to debunk the claims of the superscoring impact by showing the differences among schools in the ACT scores that are not superscored. </p>
<p>However, I understand that speculation that fits an agenda looks better than simple and verifiable facts.</p>
<p>“The scores that are not reported are not obfuscated; they simply do not exist. As I told DStark, you might wonder why this could happen. A hint or two: think countries where neither the SAT or ACT are offered, and the fact that the scores are for ENROLLED students.”</p>
<p>I’m having trouble with this Xiggi.</p>
<p>Stanford used to report scores that represented over 100% of it’s student body.</p>
<p>Alexandre is right when one accepts a set of deeply flawed assumptions.</p>
<p>One such assumption is that the total of the SAT and ACT scores has to be higher than 100 percent. There are no hard rules nor expected overlaps between the two tests.</p>
<p>We will take this back after the rankings come out. HS counselors do not think as highly of Duke as what they think of the rest of the schools which Duke considers its peers. Duke was ranked 9 with a score of 4.7 while Brown, Cornell and Columbia were given a 4.9 and ranked 5.</p>
<p>When that score is factored into the PA, which still will be 25% of the total score, Duke will drop because schools which are currently ranked lower, like the ones I mentioned, will have a higher PA. Get it? Or …were your critical thinking capabilities affected by attending too many frat parties in Durham? </p>
<p>Duke’s reputation is highest in the South. Still.</p>
<p>EDIT: and please, stop calling everyone who disagrees with you a ■■■■■. It could get ugly.</p>
<p>I think everyone is overestimating the colleges’ choices regarding dual SAT/ACT reports. If a student’s ACT score is drastically lower than his SAT, why would he even bother sending the ACT? My guess is that the students who send in both would be on the higher end, overachievers trying to demonstrate their versatility and ability to succeed on both tests.</p>
First off, the counselor rating is reevaluated every year just like every other element factored in the USNWR ranking so this year’s counselor ratings could be a lot different than last year’s. This is a very new data point unlike the existing PA so its privy to a lot of fluctuations in the first several years of its inclusion.</p>
<p>Secondly, Duke’s “9” rating according to the counselors is pretty consistent with its current spot in the USNWR ranking (#10 in fact) so that shouldn’t bring its ranking up or down more even remotely significantly. Also, Brown and Cornell are ranked much lower than Duke as its stands in the current USNWR ranking so if anything, those schools will just trade places with WashU, Northwestern and JHU that fared EVEN WORSE on the counselors’ rating system.</p>
<p>Third, theSaiyan666 is currently doing his Masters in Mechanical Engineering at MIT so I think he’s accomplished a lot more than you will ever in your pitiful life. You’re just another Duke ■■■■■ that is bitter because the school rejected you and you had to attend a 2nd tier school just like rjkofnovi or whatever his name is.</p>
One scenario:
The student sent in his ACT scores before the early admission deadline. He later did better in his SAT scores and sent them in to beef up his chances for regular admission.</p>
<p>For your case to work, the student must have equally high SAT and ACT scores.</p>
Looks like that’s your opinion, MyOpinion. Duke considers its peers as Columbia, Dartmouth, Brown, Cornell, and UPenn. Dean Cristoph Guttentag himself showed me and some classmates just last year how our crossadmits with these universities ranged from 40%-60%.
And is being ranked 9 a bad thing? I didn’t know being top 10 is so terrible. Last time I checked Dartmouth, Johns Hopkins, and UPenn, which Duke considers its peers, are also ranked 9. </p>
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Sorry, I don’t get it. At least I got laid by attending some of these parties. You should try them sometime too.
And I really don’t get it. Because Duke is #9 in this ranking, its going to drop in the UNSWR one? How do the counselor rankings affect USNWR again? </p>
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Then I won’t call you that. I don’t want things to get ugly. This forum is supposed to help people. I have no interest in this fight. Do you go to UMich?</p>
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While I do find it flattering, please don’t be so aggressive. Even if rjkofnovi and MyOpinion appear very obnoxious, there’s no reason to be so ourselves. Because then what’s the difference between them and us?
For starters be more passive and logical.
I see that there has been a lot of Duke posters who have been very aggressive.
If Duke is truly growing, then there should be no need for CC Dukeys to be so aggressive. So stand down, lesdiablesbles. Calm down and remember NOT to put down other schools OR elevate Duke. Duke is already good enough that it doesn’t need any elevation. </p>
<p>If anyone tries to put Duke down, then just be cool with it and correct it. If he’s still aggressive, other posters will rip him apart (Just they way you did to MyOpinion before I had the chance to retort). Its happened multiple times.</p>
<p>This thread is spiraling out of control…AS USUAL! The topic should be 2011 rankings, not Duke and Michigan. MyOpinion and rjkofnovi, do not confuse TheSaiyans666 for LDB. TheSaiyans has no issue against any university and does not think himself superior to others. Conducting a civil dialogue with him is perfectly possible and does not require additional aggression.</p>
<p>“Coach K” is imo synonymous with Duke University. Therefore, I sometimes wonder how much (if any) of his athletic success has contributed to the rise of Duke in terms of academics in the past three decades??</p>
<p>ps. I am just a bored bystander whose suffering from insomnia with zero interest in partaking any sort of argument(s).</p>
<p>Although Basketball has helped make Duke a household name in the last 25 years, I am fairly certain that Duke has been considered among the academic elite since the 1960s. The first USNWR ranking (published in 1985) had Duke ranked #6 in the nation. At that time, Coach K had been at Duke just 5 years and had not yet turned the program into the powerhouse it became in the 90s onwards.</p>
<p>“While I do find it flattering, please don’t be so aggressive. Even if rjkofnovi and MyOpinion appear very obnoxious, there’s no reason to be so ourselves. Because then what’s the difference between them and us?” </p>
<p>I am “very obnoxious” because I feel Michigan is an academic peer of Duke and you don’t? I’m sorry, but I won’t bow down to your eminence. I never said Duke was not a great university. I said that it’s no better academically than 10-15 or so other top schools. That has you and some other Dookies having a hissy fit.</p>
Seriously.</p>
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