USNA QB Charged with rape

Colleges and Universities A-Z Naval Academy - Annapolis
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By equating her drinking to his raping some posters here are confirming to the CC world a very bad picture of the military's attitude towards women.

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<p>Please put down the crack pipe and step away slowly. You have no earthly clue as to what you're talking about.</p>

<p>Underage drinking is illegal. As such, it should be punishable by separation, especially when you are so inebriated that you don't realize you are being raped. That said, one crime has nothing to do with the other.</p>

<p>Ownes should be separated for, at the very least, conduct unbecoming. If found guilty of rape, he should be skinned alive and then fed kicking and screaming to an alligator. I have no sympathy whatsoever for rapists.</p>

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TRUST ME, my company had one very nearly fatal incident with underage drinking....no talk of separation.

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<p>Yes, I meant exactly what I said. I know it happens, but it shouldn't. Underage drinking is illegal. Period. I never got smashed when I was there, so please don't tell me it's a right-of-passage thing.</p>

<p>And just because some idiot in your company got drunk and almost killed either himself or someone else and is still there is hardly something to be proud of. Hopefully that moron won't do it again with a $40 million aircraft loaded with ordnance on the deck of a carrier in rough seas. I, for one, wouldn't give him the chance to try.</p>

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<p>Especially now that they are worth well over a quarter-of-a-billion bucks each. ;)</p>

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<p>you have a valid point that people should be punished for underage drinking. separation, for each and every offense, however, is not feasible. what needs to be understood is how many people get caught underage drinking each week-month-semester-year. its quite large. if they separated everyone who got caught they'd be decimating the brigade. i know we'd all like to think its isolated and that mids are too..honorable, whatever, to do it. but the truth is we aren't. you're talking about how it should be, and i'm talking about how it is.</p>

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<p>Time to start tightening the noose then....</p>

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separation, for each and every offense, however, is not feasible. what needs to be understood is how many people get caught underage drinking each week-month-semester-year. its quite large. if they separated everyone who got caught they'd be decimating the brigade.

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<p>Well, then! Using that logic, let's just ditch the MIDREGS if enough Mids start breaking them! :rolleyes:</p>

<p>Excuse me, but who is running this assylum?</p>

<p>I guarantee you that you only have to separate one weekend's worth of underage-drinking Mids before the message gets across loud and clear. Tell them up front it's going to happen, and when the idiots do it, tell them, "We warned you" as you kick them out the gate.</p>

<p>As for decimating the Brigade, it sounds to me like we'd be culling out the ones who don't seem to take the law or their responsibilities very seriously. Those are not the kind of guys I want wearing the Ring or leading others into combat, thank you very much.</p>

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<p>Separate them, heck! Why should the investment in them be lost? Send them to the fleet under a white hat for a year as an E-1. Make them scrub and polish anything that moves and paint anything standing still. Then have them come back without liberty for the remainder. Throw in some community service and a ton of counselling and there ya go.</p>

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<p>Leave it to a mom to find the best and most EEEEEEEEVIL solution! :D</p>

<p>I wouldn't do counseling, though. The Chiefs out in the fleet will take care of that! :D</p>

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<p>Whellah, you are wasting your time.
You have to understand that everbody else on this site has led a PERFECT life and has NEVER broken a law, regulation, or company policy in contradiction of some oath or allegiance they have sworn. [You, know, kind of a Christian thing to not judge others lest you be judged yourself or something like that.] So it is natural that Mids should be expected to comply perfectly with regs that, with tight enough scrutiny, are broken several times a day. [And never mind the Constitution that speaks to people being innocent until proven guilty.]</p>

<p>I suppose you could begin by asking whether any adults on this site have been drunk while driving [or sped] and why they didn't voluntarily give up their license even though not caught. In the alternative, it would be interesting to see how many have committed adultery and still remain married. </p>

<p>Fortunately, as with those that ask whether their scores are good enough, the people that are making the decisions aren't on this board.</p>

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<p>zaphod, they did ditch midregs. they're now superceded by Class Rates.
and was every person you knew kicked out for underage drinking? im guessing not. so i don't know why you're so vehemently protesting that mids drink underage-it would seem to me that you should know better than anyone how things actually are at the academy. again, im not saying its right or that im "proud" as you previously asserted, that a girl in my company almost died from drinking. quite the contrary. im just a mid, giving a perspective from 3rd wing in mother b.</p>

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<p>No, they were not. But many, many should have been.</p>

<p>Crawling back into the hall, making a mess. Sometimes making fools of themselves and raising all sorts of hell in town. </p>

<p>Sorry, but I have no pity whatsoever.</p>

<p>Want to modify it to drinking to the point you bring dishonor on the Academy or the Service, or commit a crime (DUI, DWI, D&D, etc.), or become so inebriated that you lose control of yourself? Fine. I'll grant that much.</p>

<p>And no, I haven't led a perfect life. I'm not asking the Mids to. All I'm demanding is that people be held accountable for their actions. Is that too much to ask?</p>

<p>You drink underage, so bad you cannot realize you're being raped, and then the incident explodes all over the place, questions and assertions start flying, etc. All that needed to happen was for her to moderate her (still underage) drinking, and for him to keep his hands to himself. Neither happened.</p>

<p>Ditch them both, and if convicted, throw him in the brig for 1,000 years.</p>

<p>And yes, I'm perfectly willing to be judged to the standard I judge others by, so put that in your pipe and smoke it. I got 5 demerits in four years, and those were because I didn't get my board in the 4-0 main p-way completed on time.</p>

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they did ditch midregs. they're now superceded by Class Rates.

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<p>Completely seperate from the other topic, how do these work? How are they structured? I'm curious to hear what the changes are. </p>

<p>Thanks.</p>

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<p>Here are the 2005 rates: So they are not used? I'm confused...
<a href="http://usna.org/images/MidshipmanRates.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://usna.org/images/MidshipmanRates.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Oh...and they DO prohibit underage drinking! No surprise there.</p>

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<p>there is a difference between Class Rates, which you have there, and Midshipman Regulations, or MIDREGS, which is in a binder in every mid's room. the Class Rates were published only this last year, and have changed some policies from MIDREGS, such as plebes chopping in King Hall. MIDREGS are much longer and more extensive than Class Rates. Where Class Rates doesn't specify, MIDREGS are still the authority. Basically, both are used, but when they conflict, Class Rates is the one we go by. and who said the academy didn't prohibit underage drinking?</p>

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<p>Wait, wait....</p>

<p>Plebes now chop in King Hall?</p>

<p><--- Completely confused.</p>

<p>I'd love to see these class rates. I suspected the MIDREGS weren't completely gone.</p>

<p>ETA: Oh, OK. I get it. Well! That will make for interesting reading!</p>

<p>Chopping in King Hall. Now THAT is pathetic.</p>

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<p>"Chopping in King Hall. Now THAT is pathetic."
zaphod</p>

<p>Chopping is pathetic. Wonder how it will work next year with King Hall under modernization. My mid bought a skirt and heels because she discovered one doesn't have to chop in heels--it's dangerous! ;)</p>

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<p>I can't imagine why they began requiring that. It's crowded, you have trays of hot food everywhere, and it's not like it isn't loud enough already....</p>

<p>That, and King Hall, despite the bedlam, is still the equivalent of Bancroft's wardroom. A certain level of (official, anyway) decorum should be maintained.</p>

<p>Sorry, but chopping in King Hall is rediculous. Do they chop through Smoke Hall, too?</p>

<p>I'm thinking of starting a thread asking some questions about what I read in the Class Rates. One or two things I'm unfamiliar with.</p>

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My mid bought a skirt and heels because she discovered one doesn't have to chop in heels

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<p>Word of advice: Don't play those BS games. They fool no one (upperclassmen or classmates).</p>

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<p>Seems strange. I have had lunch in King Hall and did not see anyone chopping. I thought that was reserved for the residential areas of Bancroft.</p>

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<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/09/AR2006030902338.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/09/AR2006030902338.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Story on the incident/underage drinking.</p>

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<p>Sex in the Hall is a violation of the CONDUCT code, not the HONOR code (and it's Honor CONCEPT, unless they've changed that, too).</p>

<p>"The Washington Post does not name those who allege sexual assaults." - Yeah, unless they accuse a Democrat President. :rolleyes:</p>

<p>So let's see here...... </p>

<p>Underage drinking. Check. Conduct Code violation.</p>

<p>Sex in the Hall. Check. Conduct Code violation.</p>

<p>Going into a bar and showing an ID that you KNOW shows you to be under 21. Check. HONOR CONCEPT violation. (Deception/Lying).</p>

<p>Rape. Check. Violation of anything you want to list.</p>

<p>This just keeps getting better and better. :(</p>

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**Sex in the Hall. Check. Conduct Code violation.

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<p>Are you asserting that this was the consensual sex or the sex that is rape? I just want to understand what you are saying. By the way........does the collection of evidence include looking for a fake ID? Is the investigation just about non consensual sex? Who checked each party in when they returned to B??</p>