<p>Well, that just means the deal and terms are more complex than normal and you get only a fraction of the info out of those articles. But one thing I already noticed, without even reading the contract, is the cap will expire in 10 years. So year 11 through 50, students/faculty/staff can be screwed. Also, it’s not clear who would pay for the repairs…etc…probably OSU.</p>
<p>Like I said, the customers are primarily University students/faculty/employees. Private investors are not stupid; whatever “good” deal that OSU (even better for investors) got is really financed by the customers, which couldn’t have happend if OSU were managing it because it’s just not PC to do so (supposedly not-for-profit).</p>
<p>^^Sam, there is a reason why we did not pick the highest bid (which was over $500 million). We don’t pay our CFO top dollars for nothing. Sorry, but you really need to study the contract in details (including whose responsibility for repair as you mentioned above) before making comments on tOSU’s deal. Just so you know, even the faculty senates overwhelming passed the votes on the deal.</p>
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<p>And whatever the “market rate” thereafter (for the remaining years) according to the contract…</p>
<p>Sam, I would be more than happy to entertain you on this subject (pm me) after you have studied the contract carefully. For now, it is only right to return the thread back to its original intention, which is about UVA as you suggested.</p>
<p>Gee is doing an outstanding job at THE osu, but the fact remains that a tenured faculty member will not be able to leave UVa easily. THE osu just ain’t gonna spend all of their hard-earned money giving away full tenure to a bunch of people from the outside. Besides stealing a few stars, Gee knows the way to grow his institution is to recruit the fresh, young talent who are still hungry, and will publish greatly, i.e., tenure track, but not tenured. </p>
<p>The UVa faculty can huff and puff all they want, but few comparable jobs exist for them to just easily pack up and move to. Moreover, they’ll be competing for those precious slots at THE osu with post-docs and other tenure-track wannabes at HYSPM, Caltech, Cal-Berkeley, Michigan (aghast!), Wisconsin, Texas, North Carolina, and other outstanding programs. It’s not like there is a dearth of talent and tenure-track jobs are begging for applicants.</p>
<p>btw: I’d take C-Ville over Columbus any day for quality of life, while others would prefer the bigger city.)</p>
<p>Well, if you just go back and read the thread, you’ll see that I started out by pointing out that UVA is not especially strong in any STEM field, apart from its medical school which is quite highly regarded. To which the usual response is, that’s OK, because UVA is strong in the humanities and social sciences. Except that it turns out its departmental standings in the social sciences aren’t all that special, either. So that leaves the humanities. And I acknowledged UVA has an excellent English department and a very strong history department (though that’s based on rankings other than the NRC, which gives UVA fairly mediocre rankings in both fields). And once you scratch the surface, it appears UVA’s faculty strength in the humanities isn’t very broad, either. Philosophy, sort of middling, and definitely weaker than almost every school it considers a peer. Classics? Not even ranked by NRC. Art history? Somewhere around #50. French? At little better, around #35. German? #29. Spanish? #27. Good but not great marks.</p>
<p>I did acknowledge, however, that UVA has a excellent business and law schools.</p>
<p>That’s the context. I didn’t think it necessary to recapitulate everything I had said in this thread up to that point. Apparently I was wrong, because some people just jump in late in the thread without getting the context, seize on a single post and go on the attack.</p>
<p>The thing is, I’ve always liked UVA. I’ve urged my own daughters to consider it, though neither has had any interest. I always knew it wasn’t a STEM powerhouse, but I guess I always just went along with the assumption that, in addition to strong professional schools, it had faculty strength in the humanities and social sciences. It’s actually a little shocking to me to see how thin it is on the faculty side pretty much across the board. Very good students, to be sure, but not the faculty befitting of a great university.</p>
<p>I am not going to study the K because I am not that interested in the well-being of OSU. But you don’t need to know anything about the contract to know money doesn’t grow on tree. It’s either from the investor or the customers using the garage; I am just letting you know don’t get too hyped with OSU’s propapanda. The faculty senate of course would love that; the faculty are the ones getting the benefits in the short run. That comp sci prof seems to be more honest about it.</p>
<p>“bluebayou” has some valid point this time! Although I would certainly prefer living in C-bus over C-ville… :)</p>
<p>I’ve never said that I disagreed with you (Sam) on the fact that private investor will certainly be making some profit out of the pockets of tOSU students, faculties and staffs in the long run. However, in the grand scheme of things (making tOSU into one of the top publics academically by 2020), it is well worth it imho. It’s really not a bad deal…</p>
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<p>I know, and appreciate it, Sam!! Go Cavalier!! lol</p>
<p>This is the usual provincial CC dribble. Depends where you are at in the country. There are plenty of places where a degree from Texas, Wisconsin, Indiana, Ohio State would be more well regarded than one from UVA. Which isn’t a slam on UVA - it’s just a commentary on how regional most school perceptions are. Some people just have a hard time not projecting from their own region of the country.</p>
<p>How very odd, to make those things outcomes data. The relevant outcome is whether graduates get to do the things they WANT to do - not how many of them flock like lemmings to the same handful of occupations. Can anyone actually think that the best university in the world has 100% of grads in those same 5 occupations, and none in non-profits, teaching, the ministry, the arts, all the other things that make life rich? Maybe some people think those kinds of universities are interesting. I’d think they’d be boring.</p>
<p>Pizzagirl,Again, goldenboy is a Duke guy, not UVa. His statements(including about how much more respected a degree from UVa is )should be taken with a grain of salt. Agree that there is some regional bias with most schools.</p>
<p>W&M > UVirginia for undergrad education. Michigan, California > Virginia for grad programs. As Sullivan said, it is a great school, just not as good as they think.</p>
<p>In terms of what really matters at the undergraduate level-According to Coll___ PR___:
Girls: UVa (A+) > Michigan (B+)> Berkeley (B)
Guys: UVa(A+)>Michigan (A-)>Berkeley (B+)
Nightlife: UVa(A)=Michigan(A)>Berkeley (B-)
That’s all that needs to be said.</p>