Can you post a relatively recent link from a credible source? If so, I’d like to read it.
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This is questionable pending which study you look at and the age of the person. Hopefully more studies will be coming out soon. (Data and links are on another thread.)
I’m sure we can discuss the issue but I have no desire to do that nor is it the point of this thread. The very fact that we would need to rely on recent studies - rather than studies from a few months ago - should underscore that the science isn’t necessarily “settled” on the matter (and since when is science supposed to be “settled” about anything?) Best to keep an open mind and use prudent thinking and follow some well-thought-out judgement. People can become easy prey to ideology from smaller crises than Covid. The harm from social fracture will long outlast the pandemic.
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The science is ongoing but so is the virus. I think you will see even greater pushes for vaccinations as variants emerge. One theory is that untreated asymptomatic cases can spawn variants (similar to not taking all of your antibiotics to kill all of the bug before it mutates). IF that is true then it becomes even more necessary to get vaccinated ASAP.
Meanwhile H’s workplace is giving $100 bucks to anyone vaccinated. Pretty sure it’ll be 100% compliance! Actually it makes economic sense–cheaper to have your staff at work than spending time in quarantine.
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The point of this thread is vaccine reluctance. If people are going to claim vaxes and masks and other known safety precautions aren’t helpful, it would be nice if they’d back those thoughts up. Otherwise, people just reading through wondering how they feel might assume things are true when the actual data out there isn’t supporting it.
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But the J and J is more similar to the AstraZeneca than Pfizer or Moderna, right?
Shhhh! Don’t tell him! 
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I love tele-medicine! Since the pandemic started all visits have been by phone or email. If I have to have labs done, Dr puts the order in MyChart and I go into the lab at my convenience. If I have a question, I send an email and always get a response that day. For appointments, she calls me at the exact time of the appointment, we talk for 15 minutes, and we’re done!
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No one made any claim of the sort that I’ve read! I related my relative’s explanation as to why some healthcare providers in their area (a large metro as I explained) were not masking up or getting vaccinated. I don’t happen to agree with it, but that’s not germane. Since this is a “vaccine reluctance” topic, perhaps understanding the other point of view might be insightful? That’s my intent here. In any case, if it’s just about discrediting all those “other” people then I’m sure you can do that better than I can, since you are up on the very latest literature and science.
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Sometimes employees who take extra time off aren’t actually feeling sick.
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@bgbg4us not getting vaccinated does hurt you and other people in terms of the virus and variants being around for years to come.
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Haha. My husband’s company has been exceedingly generous so not to spread the coronavirus. If they feel ill, please call off. Having a problem with family issues, an extra 5 days off, no questions.
He had an employee who called off after the first vaccine and now the second.
Saying all that, I had my second dose on Tuesday. I’m pretty achy and am running a low grade fever. My biannual dental appointment is tomorrow and I decided to reschedule rather than chance that I will feel 100% tomorrow.
So I’m using extreme caution, but I was fine doing all of my daily activities. But you do have to use extreme caution in this climate.
All that to say that I agree with you lol!
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This has interesting polling data:
“Five different pollsters asked Americans how willing they are to get vaccinated in December, and again in March, while giving people some option to say they were undecided or in the middle. And the topline takeaway is that the share who’d gotten vaccinated or definitively intended to rose by an average of 23 percentage points.”
The text later also talks about reasons given for those who are choosing not to get it. Very interesting read, at least for me.
I wish everyone would get at least one vaccine to squash any variants. I hate to think of us having to go through this again if we wind up with a variant that the vaccines cannot fight off…
I had my second Moderna shot today and so far I feel fine. A bit achy but I think that is from some activities from yesterday and this morning. Wife gets her second shot next Tuesday and DS gets his second at the end of next week.
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You probably should wish there was enough vaccine for everyone who wants it to get it. Right now, we are not there yet – probably only about half of those who want it have gotten even one dose, and probably only about half of them have gotten fully vaccinated.
Eligibility to everyone does not mean that everyone can find available vaccine.
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I do think that first priority is vaccinating everyone who wants a vaccine. Many of the vaccine-reluctant are not yet eligible, or having difficulty findng spots. At least some of the reluctant group have expressed the feeling that others need it more – I’ve heard that from my own son (whose employment would technically give him priority status, but who actually has a work-from-home desk job, so feels like it would be cheating to claim that status based on a job title). So those are just the “you go ahead, I’ll wait my turn” faction. After that rationale dissipates, there are still going to be plenty of vaccine avoiders, but some may be swayed by social pressure, especially if friends and family are asking about vaccination status before issuing social invitations.
I honestly think that there are enough people who are going to be vaccine refusers no matter what, and its optimistic to think that we can even get to a 70% vaccination rate – but I don’t think there’s much point in worrying about that unless and until everyone who would like to be vaccinated has had their opportunity.
There is also a faction of people who have had and recovered from Covid and believes they are already immune and don’t need to be vaccinated — that’s not really accurate, but that is a significant fraction of people who have reduced likelihood of reinfection even if not vaccinated. That is one reason my daughter is not stressing about finding an appointment – she does intend to get vaccinated, but with the knowledge that she had Covid in February, she doesn’t feel an urgency. I do think that the serendipitous news that about a third of long haulers are reporting post-vaccination improvement is helpful – that will encourage some of the previously infected to seek out the vaccine where they might otherwise have been reluctant.
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Very good point on a very good post.
One thing that we do not understand is why some people get very mild cases and some get serious cases. However, yes indeed there are some cases that are very bad. It is probably still unknown whether these 40 year old runners will be running again for quite a while, if ever. Even if you do not die and do not get near death, COVID can still significantly reduce a person’s lung capacity. One father of a friend was very healthy, but then got COVID and died. You just never know.
In terms of relying on heard immunity, it does not look to me as if enough people are going to get vaccinated to make heard immunity work.
I will admit that if there were no vaccine, I would be getting tired of quarantine right now and would be starting to get careless. However, there is a vaccine (or several). I get my second dose in two weeks. I will be home free in five weeks. I am determined to be very careful for these next five weeks. THEN I will party.
If we can all be careful for perhaps two more months, and if we all get vaccinated when we can, then we can all get our lives back to normal.
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While, I appreciate your optimism, I think this is highly unlikely. There’s a huge range of risks that people are willing/not willing to take. And the idea that people will be careful for two weeks or two months isn’t realistic, IMO. When I think back to last Spring, I wasn’t leaving my house at all to “flatten the curve” Then I drove by a Home Depot filled with cars. So sad, so many don’t want to follow the rules or think the rules don’t apply to them.
Also, some states are fully opened and some states are still pretty locked down. In my state ( which got hit really, really hard) we are far behind on the roll out compared to other states. Don’t know all the reasons. But they aren’t even at under 65’s yet.
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I really don’t understand this statement. The Home Depot is open according to the state rules. People who are at the Home Depot are following the rules. We remodeled a bathroom last year and I made many trips to Home Depot. I wore a mask and socially distanced. I didn’t break any rules. FWIW, except for the first month, we have shopped normally. Shopping is not breaking the rules.
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