I guess if you say that you don’t know how it works, you can then make wild guesses about what the effects might be. Logic is clearly not the strong suit of whomever leapt to those conclusions.
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I have talked to a couple people that didn’t understand one thing; that when they say “It doesn’t matter because others can choose to protect themselves or not, they don’t have to rely on me to protect them.” isn’t true. My daughter is a single mom. She has no relatives or close friends near her. The baby’s Dad works very odd hours. The baby can’t wear a mask, can’t get the shot, is 1 so can’t just stay covered in his baby carrier. She has to take him around people some times. She has no choice. She tries to do curbside when possible but can’t always. That baby is relying on other people to be safe around him. His mom does her best but he has to go out at times. I have managed to get a couple of people (including the baby’s father who was NOT going to get the vaccine) to get it by really explaining this. Maybe it is only a couple people but a couple is more than none. My 22 yo son wasn’t for it at first but his immunology professor taught him about the technology and why it is safe and why she would get it right away. She even had him read papers about it. (Now he is being paid to do research with her - on another topic - this summer). Science convinces some people, the human story others, feeling coerced or strong-armed doesn’t convince many people.
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Here are some survey results of people and their desire (or not) to get COVID-19 vaccine.
While many of the typical demographic differences are similar to other surveys, one that stands out that is not usually surveyed is parents of kids under 18, especially mothers. Parents tend to be less likely to want to get COVID-19 vaccine, and mothers are much less likely to want to get COVID-19 vaccine than either fathers or women who are not mothers. However, age may have something to do with it, since parents of kids under 18 are unlikely to be age 65+, which is the age group that is most vaccine enthusiastic.
| Group | Vaccinated | Plans to get vaccinated | Uncertain | Unwilling |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Moms | 31% | 19% | 21% | 29% |
| Dads | 39% | 30% | 14% | 17% |
| Other women | 52% | 14% | 14% | 20% |
| Other men | 50% | 20% | 13% | 17% |
This could have implications if K-12 schools open fully (i.e. no restrictions on recess or lunch periods where kids would ordinarily interact closely and share all kinds of viruses) before kids can be vaccinated, since a chain of infection of unvaccinated mother → her unvaccinated kid → your unvaccinated kid → you could easily occur, in which case you really want to be vaccinated.
Agreed. That isn’t something I’ve heard before and doesn’t even make sense. It goes way beyond reason.
To not require a vax is understandable when it’s new. To allow for realistic medical and religious exemptions makes perfect sense. To forbid employees to get it goes totally against their “health freedom” claim. And to base it on affecting others in such a way is mind boggling from anyone claiming to be in education. I can’t help but wonder what else they teach after reading that.
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Don’t think it is affecting others but maybe this is what that school administrator was thinking about?
Is anyone else seeing “you need to wait 10 minutes between posts” on this thread?
Anyone knows what that means?
Yes.
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I fully get how it could affect the person getting the vaccine. Anything stressful can - even a lot of exercise. I just don’t see any way in the world it’s possible for a vaccinated person (teacher or staff in the school’s case) to affect someone else’s cycle. Is it via the chips we vaccinated people now have? 
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The moderating team has enabled “slow mode” on this thread to ensure that everyone has a chance to participate and that the conversation is not dominated by a few repeat posters. It’s one of the moderating tools we can use to encourage civil discourse but not close a thread.
(It will expire after a certain amount of time, but can be re-enabled at any time)
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This is a great tool. Cool off your guns of sorts. 
Now, if we could take this tool back in time (to when this tool did not exist) to help bring back the valuable old time contributors to this forum… 
back then, some posts and poster’s intentions were quite misinterpreted because of the “rapid fire.”
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Fine - substitute the wording from article that ucbalumus posted - vaccinated or willing for pro in what I wrote and uncertain and/or unwilling (depending on context) for non as that is how I intended it.
If you look at that article, which I had not previously seen, it reflects what I said about the primary reasons I was seeing among the uncertain and unwilling. The rushed through trials option is the closest people could have chosen to under Emergency Authorization. Being against vaccines in general was not one of the top reasons.
I’m not going to argue over whether words like ignorant and cult are technically facts or not.
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What would be interesting to see is a survey of the vaccine reluctant (however defined) what they would prefer to do since they do not want to get vaccinated:
- Try to avoid getting or giving COVID-19 through social distancing, masking, avoiding crowded or indoor public spaces, etc…
- Go back to pre-COVID-19 normal, don’t care if they get COVID-19 or give it to others.
- Go back to pre-COVID-19 normal, because know or believe that they already had COVID-19.
- Variolate self with COVID-19 to get it over with.
My guess would be that the vast majority will do either 1 or 2.
I would also guess that the behavior of people who have had COVID may depend on how bad it was.
People who had light symptoms or were asymptomatic may be more likely to go with 3, while people who had a bad case may be more likely to go with 1, because they really don’t want to go through it again, even if the chances are really small, especially since there are multiple variants and being infected with one may not provide as much immunity from other variants.
On the other hand, research has shown that most people who were re-infected by any variant generally had mild or asymptomatic cases. So this may be what determines the amount of caution that a person will take to avoid being re-infected.
I guess it depends on what goes into a person’s tradeoff calculations.
I can think of at least one thread where this should have been put in place. So can posters request mods place a thread into “slow mode”? And would that be done by flagging a post in that thread?
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I saw a discussion about the vaccine this morning on my NextDoor site. There were no rude posts being made by the pro-vaccine folks. Mostly just comments about being glad they got it. But some of the “vaccine reluctant” people were ridiculous. It wasn’t just a matter of saying “I’m not comfortable with taking a vaccine that is not FDA approved” or “I just don’t think it has been tested enough.” No, they had to refer to vaccinated people as “sheep” or “you lab rats go ahead and damage yourselves for life. I’ll be laughing when you all whine about all your permanent problems down the line.”
Good grief.
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I see that on my NextDoor feed, also. And also on FB comments from my area. There is a loud minority (I HOPE they are a minority, but vaccine doses are now going begging where I am)) of people who have been covidiots and covid deniers from the beginning, and now of course are trying to discredit the vaccines.
I simply have no patience with people like this. I was irritated at parents who wouldn’t vaccinate their kids with MMR, dTap, etc. because their precious couldn’t be exposed, yet they were more than happy to have OTHERs get vaccinated for herd immunity.
But now with the reluctant covid-19 vaccine people, I feel simply disgusted. They are selfish, and will be responsible if we don’t reach herd immunity in this country.
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@CTTC and @Nrdsb4 - I have seen similar in my social media , too. I have stopped looking on Next Door for that reason.
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I sincerely hope everyone decides to get the vaccine sooner rather than later but for those of us who have gotten it, we are lab rats. We’ve all chosen freely to participate in this science experiment. Well, mostly freely. This vaccine, unlike any other in history, has been studied for less than a year before use. I’m happy it’s available and hope that it does help us return to pre-Covid life.
Although my whole family is vaccinated, I worry that there could be health repercussions for my kids due to the short testing timeframe.
I’m also saddened when people cast dispersions on people who don’t want to get the vaccine. I don’t agree with their choice but in what other circumstances would we basically require people to inject something experimental into their bodies? Until full FDA approval is given, this is an experimental vaccine. Those unvaccinated are choosing to take the risk of contracting Covid over the risk of the vaccines. (Yes I understand the variant issue, but most of the world still isn’t vaccinated so that’s a continuing problem unless all countries shut their borders). Maybe for them it’s seems the more knowable risk at the moment.
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India may be proving this wrong. I saw a thing about it yesterday (or maybe the day before?). Roughly 50% of their country had already tested positive for having Covid so they thought they were close to herd immunity and “safe.” They allowed their massive celebrations for the holidays and look where they are now. What has happened there has even stunned many scientists.
The piece (I think it came from the NYT if anyone wants to search) referenced a study from Wuhan that showed many who had an asymptomatic or mild case didn’t have enough antibodies later to fend off a second attack. (Some did, most didn’t.)
Covid is so new the whole world is the guinea pig. I feel for India and sure wouldn’t count on having immunity if I had an easy go of it in round one.
I’m definitely pro-vax!
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Once it gets FDA approval, many of them will just find another reason to disparage people who get the vaccine or promote its use. This is a straw man argument for many of them.
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