<p>No, those companies don’t define prestige. At all. If, tomorrow, they all stopped recruiting at Harvard, Harvard would still be prestigious. These companies are only “prestigious” in the narrow world of people in them. Why should a student not interested in these careers care one bit whether or not they recruit at his or her school? </p>
<p>RML, you LET these places define prestige because you don’t have the confidence in your own judgment.</p>
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<p>No; I did not. You just didn’t understand what I was saying. Those banks recruit to over a hundred schools all over the nation. They also recruit to UT-Austin, UMiami, UFlorida and so on. Hell, a guy from The New School Florida has gotten into Goldman last year too. So the more relevant question here is: Is Vanderbilt a target school for i-banking jobs of the bulge bracket? In other words, is Vanderbilt really in their elite list of schools along side the Ivies? This is where you needed to concentrate on proving. </p>
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I very much doubt that. Thousands of applicants to Berkeley with SATs ranging from 2200 to 2300 were rejected each year. Those students could possibly be at Vanderbilt now. Of course, Vanderbilt is very selective too. But you need to understand that Berkeley’s admissions do not work exactly the way Vanderbilt does. At Berkeley, the departments have a say on who they admit. For example, the College of Engineering at Cal is very snobbish and only admits less than 13% each year. Berkeley is also quite snobbish to International applicants – only about 12% are admitted. You may find Berkeley easy to get into if you’re applying for say, History or Sociology. But you’d find its admissions daunting when you’ll be applying for, say EECS. To recapitulate, Berkeley and Vanderbilt do not operate similarly, and do not practice the same admission processes. Vanderbilt weighs SATs more on thier admissions criteria, whilst Berkeley weighs HS GPA more. </p>
<p>Now, if you’re not comfortable with me using Berkeley as an example, we can use Brown, or, maybe UPenn, to compare it (Vanderbilt) to. In such case, both Brown and UPenn are more prestigious than Vanderbilt.</p>
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<p>No, I have not attended Cal, fyi.</p>
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<p>I disagree. Berkeley is ahead of Duke in terms of pure academics. Duke is just as good as Michigan, at best, for most academic areas, and is slightly above Virginia, in general. Vanderbilt is not their league. It is in a league below them.</p>
<p>stop trolling RML</p>
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<p>They wouldn’t stop recruiting from Harvard because they knew Harvard continues to attract the best students:
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When you read the accounts of recruiters at these firms, you get a sense of why they might choose these metrics. They have multiple stacks of resumes. They meet hundreds of applicants at career fairs. Rather than scrutinizing anyone’s resume it’s easier just to limit the pool to the top three or four universities. Do you really want to pore over the transcript of that kid from the University of Michigan? Wouldn’t it be easier just to call the Harvard grad? In essence, what they’re assuming is that the admissions offices at the super-elite schools have already picked the best of the best. Why second guess them?*
[Brown</a> and Cornell Are Second Tier - Percolator - The Chronicle of Higher Education](<a href=“http://chronicle.com/blogs/percolator/brown-and-cornell-are-second-tier/27565]Brown”>http://chronicle.com/blogs/percolator/brown-and-cornell-are-second-tier/27565)</p>
<p>LOOOOOL @ Berkeley ahead of Duke in academics. I’m really just laughing now at your posts. </p>
<p>here is how it goes for 99% of people
Duke>Vanderbilt>Berkeley>Virginia>Michigan</p>
<p>I know you’re insecure RML about Berkeley and public schools but please tone it down.</p>
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<p>Based on last year’s common data sets, Vanderbilt students have higher scores than Brown.</p>
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<p>SAT Critical Reading 680 770
SAT Math 700 780
SAT Writing 670 760
SAT Essay 8 10<br>
ACT Composite 31 34<br>
ACT Math 30 34<br>
ACT English 31 35<br>
ACT Writing 8 10 </p>
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<p>Critical Reading 660 750
C9 SAT Math 680 770
SAT Writing 670 770
SAT Essay n/a n/a
C9 ACT Composite 29 33
C9 ACT Math 28 34
C9 ACT English 30 34
C9 ACT Writing 28 32</p>
<p>[CDS</a> C](<a href=“http://virg.vanderbilt.edu/virgweb/CDSC.aspx?year=2011]CDS”>http://virg.vanderbilt.edu/virgweb/CDSC.aspx?year=2011)</p>
<p><a href=“Office of Institutional Research | Brown University”>Office of Institutional Research | Brown University;
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<p>You still didn’t understand. Those adcoms help define school prestige. That’s true whether you like it or not. The OP was was asking how Vanderbilt stuck up to the Ivies. Those are helpful data that we can dig up to find out how Vandy really stand against the Ivies. </p>
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<p>Your data did not tell the whole picture. It did not say how many have sought for those highly coveted jobs. They only tell us how many have gotten it. I bet there were many who sought for it, but only a handful of them have been successful.</p>
<p>If someone wants to be in a specific industry, they choose a job in that industry.</p>
<p>Sought - I sought to be a millionaire at 30. did not happen. so what.</p>
<p>The numbers over last two to three years shows the same trend. People who want to be on wallstreet, don’t target Vanderbilt as their undergrad school. It is irrelevent to students attending Vanderbilt.</p>
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<p>Tell me which academic area is Duke superior to Berkeley. Come on give me. For every academic area where you find Duke is superior to Berkeley, I will give you 3, I promise. lol</p>
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<p>yet the fact is Brown is more prestigious than Vanderbilt. It has a higher PA Score. Higher representation at the top grad schools. Is a target school by the top employers, more so, than Vanderbilt is. </p>
<p>So, you see, your SAT scores have not much of a meaning to school prestige, in reality. Look at Stanford’s common data set and compare it to Vanderbilt’s. You’d see they’re comparable. But in reality, is Vanderbilt really as prestigious a school as Stanford? The clear answer is, NO!</p>
<p>^ totally irrelevant. better caliber students are attending vanderbilt.</p>
<p>Vanderbilt attracts southern conservatives and Brown attracts free spirits. If OP is conservative, it is a better fit. Those are the factors that matter, i.e., will OP be happy at Vanderbilt and not whether he/she can get into Yale law from there or wall street from there. If OP asked whether it helps with Yale law or wall street then it becomes relevant.</p>
<p>I also believe those scores are far far superior to Berkeley.</p>
<p>SAT Critical Reading 600 720 ACT Composite 28 33
SAT Math 650 770 ACT English 27 34
SAT Writing 620 740 ACT Math 27 34
SAT Essay 8 10 ACT Writing 26 31 </p>
<p><a href=“http://opa.berkeley.edu/statistics/cds/2011-2012.pdf[/url]”>http://opa.berkeley.edu/statistics/cds/2011-2012.pdf</a></p>
<p>Stanford has similar scores only because their far superior athletes pull down the average from a bunch of their perfect and near perfect scorers. Essentially they are trading off for their director’s cup.</p>
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<p>You still do NOT understand. Getting into McKinsey or Goldman is not like buying a candy in the stores. lol</p>
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<p>Maybe. But that wasn’t the issue. The issue is if Vandy has the prestige that the Ivy has. So, whether its students are smarter than Stanford’s is not the issue here. The issue is, is Vandy as prestigious as Stanford? Answer that.</p>
<p>People go to Harvard and Penn planning to get into McKinsey or Goldman. We are saying Vanderbilt as a school does not seem to aim for your specific type of industry. We have already proved they both recruit at Vanderbilt. If they did not believe Vanderbilt is not worthy, they would not show up on campus.</p>
<p>So what is your point?</p>
<p>If 30% of Harvard ends up at wall street and only 3-5% has any interest from Vanderbilt (there are lot of tiers in each industry and people can get into lower tier) how does it reflect poorly?</p>
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<p>Wow, the 25% percentile at Berkeley is 1250 (M+V). Lol.</p>
<p>"So the more relevant question here is: Is Vanderbilt a target school for i-banking jobs of the bulge bracket? In other words, is Vanderbilt really in their elite list of schools along side the Ivies? This is where you needed to concentrate on proving. "</p>
<p>But these are just a few industries. They aren’t any more or less special or important than any others. Just because unsophisticated people think these are the only careers worth pursuing doesn’t make it so. </p>
<p>Look, if I said to you - Northwestern is super prestigious because their theater grads walk onto Broadway and Hollywood - you’d say so? Why does that matter to someone who isn’t interested in theater? Well, same principle here. You always go back to “what GS and McK do.” Well, so? The best job is the one that an individual student desires. There are no universal “best jobs.” Just because you’re all starry eyed over these companies does not, indeed, make them the arbiters of prestige. bTW, I work with McK all the time and my best friends are McK people. That still doesn’t make them more important or anything. They’re just jobs. Get some sophistication and realize that.</p>
<p>"But you need to understand that Berkeley’s admissions do not work exactly the way Vanderbilt does. At Berkeley, the departments have a say on who they admit. For example, the College of Engineering at Cal is very snobbish and only admits less than 13% each year. Berkeley is also quite snobbish to International applicants – only about 12% are admitted. You may find Berkeley easy to get into if you’re applying for say, History or Sociology. But you’d find its admissions daunting when you’ll be applying for, say EECS. To recapitulate, Berkeley and Vanderbilt do not operate similarly, and do not practice the same admission processes. Vanderbilt weighs SATs more on thier admissions criteria, whilst Berkeley weighs HS GPA more. "</p>
<p>Actually I don’t “need” to understand anything about Berkeley, since it’s just not on the radar screen in this part of the country anywhere near to the extent that Vandy is. A large school with a California concentration could never be as appealing to me as a smaller one with a student body from all over. Travel outside California sometime, it might do you good.</p>
<p>why are you implying vanderbilt does bad in consulting? both BCG and Bain are founded by Vandy grads, that’s 2/3 for MBB. and they both recruit on campus, ESPECIALLY Bain. Bain’s largest office which is in Dallas is majority Vanderbilt graduates. Deloitte especially in ATL are also majority Vandy grads, same with accenture along with many other smaller firms.</p>
<p>for IB Vandy does best with BAML and every southern firm. although like someone else said citi, GS, barclays, jeffferies all recruit.</p>