Vanderbilt vs UF

Hello, My S3 is a HS senior currently struggling to decide on where to go next year. He has been accepted by a lot of great universities, but his final selection would be Vanderbilt and UF. As a parent, I’ll support where ever he likes to go, but I’d like to have a question : Is it worth to pay 30k/yr for him to go to Vandy (that is our EFC for this year and next year, the 3rd and 4th may be 40 or 45k/yr because my S2 will graduate from other private university.) At UF, he got Presidential Platinum Scholarship 10k per year + our Florida Bright Future Scholarship ( and possible Florida Incentive Scholarship for his NMF). So it would be a full ride (COA ) for him at UF. He likes to study Chemical Engineering. He visited Vandy, fell in love with it so much and soooooooooo… happy that he got accepted. I really don’t want to break his heart not to send him to Vandy because the money, but at the same time I want to save roughly 120k for his grad school. For me UF is a pretty good school too.
We’re a lower middle-income family, both of us work lots of overtime and night shift to earn little extra income.

Please give me some advice. I would appreciate very much.
Sorry for my English, it’s not my 1st language. :slight_smile:

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Definitely UF since he is going to grad school. UF is a good school too.

What kind of grad school? If engineering, that often will come at a low price. If med school, he needs good grades. ChemE is infamous for being difficult at Vanderbilt. Has its pros and cons; I’ve known a ChemE student who transferred from a large SEC school and felt way far behind in our curriculum and struggled to keep up. Grades don’t come easy. The trade off is an excellent and highly regarded engineering education. Most ChemE students at Vanderbilt are headed for the workforce. Few have have PhD aspirations (~12%) . MD even less common, maybe one student a year. That might be common throughout the field though.

UF still has a solid engineering school. Grades [might] come a little easier, which can help with grad school applications. 30k/year is a TON of money! Seems like the clear rational choice. Might be hard to convince him though.

Thank you both of you for your thought and advice. I don’t know what kind of grad school that he plans to study. but I know he will go after undergrad. I might have to convince him, and at the same time I will call FA office to see if they can help with some more aid.

It’s hard to pass up a school like Vanderbilt. Don’t get me wrong, UF is a great school as well, but Vanderbilt is, well, Vanderbilt. As always it comes down to price vs prestige. I come from a low income family so I understand how money can become an issue. In this case I’d take price, go for UF, unless somehow you get a better offer from Vandy. Still, one heck of an opportunity to let go.

If you are “low” middle income I would contact Vandy financial aid office. Do some homework first. Run your numbers through the net price calculator. Get together any other packages he has and make sure they know that he is a NMF and has a full ride option. I would say to them, "he really likes Vandy but we just can’t afford it at those numbers. Can I send you my returns for review?

Thank you for sharing your advice, Vandy is a prestige school, and I’d love to see my S to go there because he’s studied very hard and deserved it, I’m going to do what you advice me (Disneydad) and contact Vandy FA .

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I did our net price calculator, contacted Vanderbilt FA office ,informed them that S3 has some great offer : full tuionn at Fordham, PS at USC, and full ride at UF, but got respond from Vandy FA with NO MORE grant help. So if S3 goes to Vandy, the price tag would be around 30k/yr for the first two year and 40 or 45k/yr for the last two year when S2 graduates and there will be only 1 child in college. Please share your thought and advice. I appreciate very much.

Sorry to hear that. That is a pretty big nut. For what its worth I know someone who has a son at UF and is very happy. Tough choices but count your blessings. Its nice to have so many good choices. I personally would have to tell my Son that Vandy was a no go at those amounts.

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@proudparentfl, DD is in the exact situation but with the U of Miami. She decided to take Miami without a second thought.

D is graduating from Vanderbilt this May and S is starting at UF this summer. We were full-pay at Vandy; S will have a Bright Futures scholarship and Florida Prepaid at UF. Was the Vandy education worth $264k? It’s very hard to say. D has had some awesome internships and is on the brink of landing a great job. We are confident that having “Vanderbilt” on her resume has gotten her foot in the door. But she has friends as UF who have done really well, too.

Mind you, D does not plan on grad school, while S does.

A couple of other considerations-- good grades did not come as easily to D at Vandy as they did to her friends at UF. I’m confident she would have had a better GPA if she had gone to UF. If she had been interested in grad school, this might have been a problem. But she has met people from all over the country at Vandy, and that might come in handy later in life. Peers at UF are more likely to be from Florida, which is fine (even good) if you want to stay in Florida, but not so good if you want to go elsewhere.

Nashville is awesome-- lots of things to do, great restaurants and music scene. Gainesville is a fun college town, with most activities relating to the University. Nashville has better weather overall, with a change of seasons and maybe even a little snow in the winter. Gainesville is super hot for many months of the year, with a few super cold snaps.

In sum, I have no idea what to advise you to do. If you can get your kid through college without debt, I think that’s the option I would choose. I would also consider where you child is most likely to thrive. Lucky for us, UF seems like a very good fit for our S, whereas it was not such a good fit for our D.

@Lenny2 $264K…that makes me a sad panda… :-t

I think Lenny2 nailed it, if you can do it without much debt, Vandy has some real advantages.

Does your S3 want a master’s or does he want to go into a PhD program? If it’s only a master’s, he may be interested in the Combine degree (BS/MS) programs at UF.

https://www.eng.ufl.edu/students/resources/undergraduate-student-handbook/combined-degree/

Vandy also has a similar program.

http://admissions.vanderbilt.edu/vandybloggers/2012/03/joint-undergraduategraduate-programs/

It may even be possible to get that BS/ME degree in 4 years at Vandy:

College is expensive and paying for school and debt is a very personal family decision. Personally, I feel that the cost of certain private schools are worth the additional cost of a state school eduction (Vanderbilt included), we are able to do this without incurring any debt. Honestly, this conversation and a decision should be made BEFORE applications are sent out. Costs of attendance and Financial aid calculators are available on all websites and are fairly accurate. The only think that would be in question is Merit Aid. A friend told me that he has no intention of sending his child to private school but let him apply anyway just to see if he would get accepted ?? Please save your child any possible disappointment as well as the application fees.
Good luck

You are paying to put your kid through grad school? Very generous.

UF for free vs. Vanderbilt at $150,000

Think of it this way, is a Vanderbilt degree worth $150,000 more than a UF degree. In my opinion, it isn’t. UF is a great school, so I don’t think any school is wort $150,000 more than UF.

UF has great job placement (UF is 9 on a list for Top 25 Colleges Ranked by Job Recruiters; Vandy sin’t even on the list http://www.collegeatlas.org/recruiters-college-picks.html) and at a cost of $0, UF is definitely the direction you should go in.

If your son wants to go to grad school, you may end up limiting his options because he spent too much on UG. If he goes to UF, you can begin saving for grad school now and he will have more options. If you actually do go to grad school, your grad school degree will be weighted above your UG degree.

Yes, I totally agree with that ^^^. Once you child gets into his or her “dream school,” it’s awfully difficult to say, sorry, we can’t afford that. And counting on merit scholarships is a bad idea because it’s those dream, reach schools where the student is unlikely to get merit money. We fell into that trap a bit with D1. She was a good student but not the very best and so was admitted to most of the schools that she applied to, including a few “reaches,” including Vandy. She got merit money to some, but not to the really exciting ones. Although we could afford to pay, its’s never fun to pay a $30,000 bill twice a year, and I would be more comfortable about my S’s grad school plans if we had that money back.

The problem you get into is not having your parental financial planner “beer goggles” off in time before you make a mistake in strategy for the welfare of all your children and their Long Games-- which will be interrupted by a handful of years in the workforce— and then likely a second round of applications to a professional/grad school edcation.

in 2005-- when deserving hard working Duke son applied to college, we had on our Pre Recession Parental Beer Goggles. Plus we were ten years younger. Plus we didn’t see the crash of 2008 coming and the death of our home valuation.

Plus I had no idea that the highly reputable graduate schools of business and law at our state university (UVA) cost the same price as private graduate schools (dumb, uninformed). $70,000 a year including room and board.

Son number two (because of our folly re paying full price ticket for Duke for four years) had to go to our state universities or win merit money. He understood this and put his head down and won merit by basially a total miracle at Vandy. He has an expensive and uncertain re cost/benefit outcomes grad school goal (Law) which is very foolish to borrow heavily for in this economy-- so we only felt a little guilty when he turned down his full price offers at fab schools in 2008-9 when the recession hit the USA.

Now both sons are post grad and working. It is very difficult to become fully financially emancipated from your parents in your twenties these days. What my two sons pay in rent alone would put someone through a fine college annually!

Anyway, should you decide to suck it up and pay for Vandy for your deserving son, Original Poster. I would consider that your son (who is bright enough to get into Vandy which only admitted 9-12% of applicants) is talented enough to get employed quickly with a UF Chem Engineering degree. He is going to stand out at UF and be able to do well at Vandy! No doubt. And that is a sensible, marketable degree to go after. I do not know if a masters is required for him to go further in his profession to earn more in salary. But I do know that engineers go to work and have to be employed to get specialized professional credentials to put next to their names.

I believe your son could be totally autonomous financially Post Vanderbilt and Post UF. A lot of parents cannot say this about their son or daughter post Vanderbilt. Many pathways are less likely to end up in financial independence for 23 year olds but Engineering may make this possible --if you can provide him with a solid used car. I have a nephew who was a B-minus engineering student at VA Tech who is fully independent and working. He just got his credentials after working for four years. Now he is getting a masters in Civil Engineering at night while working full time. His employer is paying for this.

So in my mind, Engineering is just different in how you weigh this out.

I also believe that if he has his heart set on Vanderbilt, you could negotiate with him to take out two-3 years of Stafford Loans at about 7000 a year to pay back himself without compromising his financial independence. (Duke son has had zero problems paying his one Stafford Loan back on a modest salary and he could have taken out 2 or 3 of those and paid them back himself–wish we had done this as some of his Duke tuition is still on our second mortgage). Duke son went into business and to work immediately–just as engineers do. (MBA programs do not really want you --till you have been employed a while.)

I really don’t know if a Chem Engineering degree at Vandy commands more respect than a Chem Engineering degree at UF. I doubt it. However there is no doubt that the four year Vandy experience is intensely different than four years at UF. It is a tighter, more traditional, cozier experience for a young person during their more tender years. On the other hand, a UF engineer will have a lot of connections in Florida!

My Duke son could not afford to stop working to attend a prestigious MBA program full time. Instead, he kept his job and is pursuing an MBA at night which costs about half the price. He earned a discount at MBA night school but he is paying about 20 grand a year out of his own pocket. That is the family “consequence” of his not taking his offer to UVA in 2005. He would still choose Duke undergrad a thousand times over. He was part of a tight close community that was essential for his growing up years. He values those years and has sucked it up and not asked for anything since although we did help with a solid used car and a couple of years on Obamacare on our family plan till he was 26 thus allowing him to not have health care taken out of his paychecks when he was younger.

Vandyson worked two years. We had him on Obamacare on our family policy which allows you to insure your son or daughter longer and allows them to take jobs without benefits. I would say that his Vanderbilt degree helped him get a fine paying job for pre-law school and more growing up time. He just finished the rounds of his law school apps. He (we) could not afford for him to go to Vandy Law (his father’s alma mater) with the size of the scholarship they offered him. He will attend another law school where he won a big merit discount in tution instead. These are the compromises that must be made in our family. However, I do not think Vandyson would have won almost free tution to law school without Vanderbilt. Vanderbilt afforded him about five fabulous opportunities that made his resume stand out. He will always have Vanderbilt, and they did as much for him as we could ask. We will help him with room board and car during the next three years of law school but he can actually afford to be totally autonomous at the end of the next three years. There are very few professions outside of a strong MBA or medical school where grad school loans can be paid off by the student with some ease.

Lastly, you have ten more days or more to sort through this. Pick the person in your family and include your son. Get out pencil and paper and compose a letter asking for a second review, stating you are concerned that you will have to pick UF do to not being able to take on Vanderbilt once elder son is no longer in college.

You never know. Put out an appeal letter and express the barriers you feel are present.

Again, UF for Chem Engineering is a sensible choice. Perhaps you can promise your son other things like car and some help with a masters in a few more years if you pick UF. If he puts a little skin in the game and takes on his Stafford loans for instance…perhaps Vandy would be worth it.

First of all, thank you all so much for your thoughts and advices. i’m so grateful to have you to share your experience and what you went through with your children’s education.
We are immigrants, never had a chance to go to high school or college in America, so we did not know much about about higher education and its system. When elder son applied for college 2 years ago, he did every thing by himself. His target was to get in to the best film school at USC and won the Trustee Scholarship there. Since he got the scholarship, we only had to do the FAFSA,
When S3 applied for college few month ago, we saw the EFC in our FAFSA (estimated 2013 income tax )

was only 15k, so we thought we could afford for him to go to his dream school. We did not expect The CSS profile would be much different in term of EFC, and never did the NPC. When receive the FA from Vandy, we were surprised. we called College Board and they explained to us very well, and that how we learned that the EFC will be even higher when S2 graduates.
We are working with S2 now to see which is the best option. If he chooses to go to Vandy, then he has to get The Stafford Loan and we help him as much as we could. ( we are working hard and saving money for him and his younger brother who will be 9th grader next year )

Lenny2, we’re glad that you are also in F! and have similar situation. We thank you for sharing your opinions
Gator88NE, Yes S3 wants to go to grad school to get a PhD. But we told him about the combined BS/ MS BS/ ME of both school. Thanks.
Faline2, We appreciate your advice and sharing your experience about your 2 children… We’ve learned a lot from all of you and we will use it to help the future high school/ college students.
Again, thank you so much for your help. We will be around CC more from now on.

@ProudParentFL what did your family decide to do? We are in the same boat but we are deciding between Cornell and UF. My daughter wants to go to law school and does not want to live in Florida anymore. She said there is no way she is going to UF and she is ok graduating and owing 100k. She thinks an ivy league education will present her with more opportunities than a state school. She also says if she planned to go to uf all along, she would not be graduating with 15 AP classes and would have just taken the dual enrollment classes her classmates who are going to UF took. I cant argue there but it is so much money.

Lisaol–So glad that your D is okay with owing 100K on graduating. She obviously didn’t major in finance LOL.
I assume she’s been accepted already. But it’s not 100K for undergrad that makes the difference–it’s 100K for LAW school. Getting in Cornell undergrad DOES NOT equal Cornell law school.

My questions would be–what is your final goal for your law career? Where do you want to live and what do you envision doing? Big NY law? (hard life) Own firm? Not FL but SE regional? Atlanta? Wash DC? What are her aspirations?

A top 20 law school is a definite plus that you HAVE to consider when the time arrives. Your D may be right. It opens a lot of doors immediately. And gives national recognition. So the 100K? Might be a good investment FOR LAW SCHOOL figuring you have the job and salary to pay off the loans immediately following graduation. But it still is goal dependent.

FIRST you have to be accepted to law school.
Law school depends on GRADES and LSAT scores. BEFORE you get in. It will not matter where you go undergrad. Emphasize the LSAT scores. And don’t spend your money beforehand.

UF Law is a great school with great connections that are being built into the DC area. VERY active career services.
Super reputation for southeast.
UF has one of very top tax LLMs for taxation in the nation. Ranked number four in US. Many students hang around (depressing the school’s US News ranking) to go into the LLM Tax program. IF that is an interest to your D. Again, it depends on her goals. Once she gets in.

As for undergrad:
She wouldn’t be the only one at UF with 15 AP classes. Not unusual in the least. Really Was she accepted into Honors at UF?. She would be among many. Lots of smart kids at UF who (guess what? did the financial math–they were accepted to top schools all over the nation). What that MIGHT mean–depending on her major–is that she could graduate in three rather than four years allowing her to get into law school a year earlier. And it still depends on GPA and LSAT for law school admission.