Vassar vs. Colgate

Hi everyone! I just finished receiving all of my decisions and I’m excited about all my options, and so I’m in the beginning stages of choosing my college. I was wondering if anyone has any input/suggestions about these options?

I want to study history, political science, or both, and I enjoy hiking and nature and am very politically active and liberal.

My options include:
Fordham University w/ good merit aid
Smith College (not heavily considering)
Colgate University
Vassar College

Financial aid at the latter 3 are very similar and not a major consideration; any suggestions welcome and encouraged!

You might want to read this thread from last year. My son is currently considering Colgate, but based on being politically active, liberal, and liking political science, it seems like Vassar would be a great fit. My daughter goes there and has been very happy with her classes and professors. She doesn’t do much hiking but I’ve heard there are good options for enjoying nature in the Hudson River Valley.
http://talk.qa.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/2068714-colgate-vs-vassar-p1.html

Congratulations! Two wonderful colleges! In some ways, they are more alike than different. They both are top small liberal arts colleges, meaning that their student bodies are bright and motivated, classes small, professors dedicated to teaching and very accessible, discussions intellectual and stimulating, communities tight-knit, alumni loyal, and resources and opportunities abounding.

They are also both beautiful campuses, Colgate with everything in lovely matching brown stone and a lake, and Vassar with gorgeous buildings including an incomparably gorgeous library, Main dorm, Cushing dorm, the quad dorms, the psychology building, Sunset Lake, and the whole campus is an arboretum, etc.

Both are well-regarded and students do well getting into grad school or a job afterwards.

First look to to see if there are differences in the courses in your major areas of interest. Then look at extracurricular clubs and activities. If these do not differentiate the two, then the following points may help.

  1. Colgate has more requirements, starting with a couple of classes that every student takes in common. Vassar has very few requirements- just a quantitative requirement and a language requirement. Do you prefer more freedom or unifying classes?
  2. Alumni network areas. Both have good connections in multiple fields, but there may be some differences in which fields have the strongest connections (which may matter only if you are going into one of those fields). Vassar will take the prize for theatre/film, but Colgate has more of a famous alumni network for banking/ consulting types of areas. Colgate alumni also are famously loyal, with traditions about wearing school gear on the 13th of each month. Also, theatre is amazing at Vassar, with lots of student productions as well as festivals and visits from famous alumni.
  3. Social milieu. This one is huge!

A. Colgate has fraternities and sororities. Students can live in houses for these, although they do start out as freshmen in more unifying houses before joining Greek organizations. Vassar has absolutely no fraternities or sororities. Students at Vassar are sorted into communities with diverse student populations in gorgeous dorms, where they live for three years, then usually live in on-campus college apartment-like living for senior year. The presence or absence of Greek life creates very different campus communities.

B. Colgate is a small college with Division One sports, giving athletes and sporting events a big role on campus. Vassar has Division 3 sports and does not even have a football team! You can enjoy sports at Vassar, but their role is more comparable to that of other activities. At Colgate, sports are a big part of the school spirit.

C. Colgate was an all-male college that became co-ed. Vassar was an all-female college that became co-ed. Although these changes happened long ago, there still are cultural differences.

D. Vassar has a more liberal ambience overall. And more protesting social justice warrior types.

  1. Finally, Colgate is in a beautiful rural area with a charming little town. Vassar has more access to “civilization,” in the form of restaurants and chain stores and possible weekend trips to NYC, but Poughkeepsie is not usually a selling point... although the Hudson Valley area is lovely and it is a short trip to nice hiking.

Academically, you can’t go wrong with two such amazing options. It probably will come down to cultural “fit.” Perhaps you can visit both and see for yourself. If not, then I hope these rough descriptions and generalizations help… although, at any college, there is a range of student personalities, and you can find “your people.”

Congratulations on your acceptances. If you haven’t visited Colgate and Vassar make sure you do. Likely one will speak to you more than the other. The environment in which you study will have a significant impact on your entire experience. I suggest you choose the one where you feel most like yourself as academically they are practically equivalent.

I have one son at Colgate and one at Vassar. They both study political science. The elder is a junior at Colgate where he found the core requirements tedious and redundant. Now that he has completed those requirements, he loves his classes. The political science department is liberal/centrist and the student body is rather homogeneous.

My son at Vassar loves it. It’s a perfect fit. From the start, the open curriculum and the freedom it allows appealed to him. Although Vassar is frequently if not always described as artsy, my 4 year varsity athlete loves it. He has no regrets. Not surprisingly, the political science department is liberal.

It may come down to what appeals to you most.
Colgate is a fabulous - a gorgeous rural campus, exciting and strongly competitive athletics, great professors and career services. Winter there tends towards interminable.

Vassar is fabulous - a gorgeous campus with access to the Vassar Nature Preserve/farm for hiking etc; vibrant drama, dance and music departments; great professors; train ride from NYC and a diverse student population.

Congrats again!

@642obdr: Any thoughts or comments regarding judgmental students for those who don’t “fit the mold” at either school ?

@publisher Neither of my sons was a perfect fit on paper for either school. Truth be told and in hindsight, my Colgate Raider (personality wise) may have been more suited to Vassar. Yet, he has not only prevailed but also succeeded (Dean’s list) at Colgate and has a bright future ahead.

My Vassar Brewer actually was very well-suited to Colgate (athlete, outgoing) but he wanted the diversity and academic freedom he found at Vassar.

Of the two schools I find Vassar more forgiving and accepting of a wider range of personalities. The homogeneous nature of Colgate cannot be ignored. Their Greek system is somewhat prominent but participation is certainly not requisite to a high quality social life. I continue to be impressed by the quality of speakers Colgate brings to campus. Their study abroad program seems easier to navigate than Vassar’s. If your student is a big sports fan then Colgate might be the right choice.

My Colgate Raider got tired of writing intro level papers across various disciplines to fulfill the requisite core requirements when he wanted to take advanced classes in his major. So - if that’s the sort of thing that would annoy a judgemental student be forewarned.

Vassar has a very diverse student body. If that could make a student uncomfortable then Vassar might not be the right choice. Of course, Vassar is warm and accepting of all.

Socially, both boys have found their niche and very nice girlfriends.

One last thought, I’ve found anxiety, uncertainty and the pressure of making the “right or wrong choice” tend to evoke seemingly judgemental responses.

Vassar - by far. No question. Aside from it probably being a better fit, the Hudson river valley is gorgeous, and much more accessible than Colgate. You’ll have so much to do there.

If you enjoy hiking, you’ll be enthralled by the Shawangunk Mountains and spectacular hiking world-class climbing throughout the Hudson Valley.

Regarding setting, Colgate offers an uncommon opportunity to experience life in an authentic countryside location offset from the mainstream economic activity associated with the Eastern megalopolis. That noted, if you identify as “very politically active and liberal,” I think you’ve found your school with Vassar, @applebh.

Vassar is much more urban then Colgate but actually has far more hiking opportunities, But I do believe Colgate has a strong outdoors club. But anyway I recommend Vassar, unless you like frat parties then go to Colgate.