Vent about UC decisions

I’m also not a big fan of US News rankings, but UT Austin is fantastic university, and it’s able to maintain its competitiveness, despite admitting 90% in-state students. Why can’t it be a model for all UC’s, including Cal and UCLA?

Texas law offers eligible applicants automatic admission to public colleges and universities. Automatic admission to UT Austin (flagship university of TX) is available to top 6% freshman applicants from Texas high schools. Why can’t all UC’s do the same, i.e. admit top 6% from all CA high schools, and let the students (not UC’s) decide which UC they want to attend?

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My point of view is simple - UC’s were created with a mission to educate California students, they are funded by State of California and by the tax-payers living in California. Their priority (all UC’s, not just a few) and their fiduciary responsibility should be to take as many in-state students as possible, and only if there’s any spare capacity, should go after out-of-state and international students.

So why not 100% for UCLA and Berkeley and any other with a surplus of qualified Cal students?

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From your website:

Cal 2022: Total Admits: 14,522. CA Residents: 10,483. This gives 72% in-state and 28% out of state/international.

UCLA 2022: Total Admits: 12,844. CA Residents: 8,425. This gives 65.5% in-state and 35% out of state/international.

With 90% in-state admit rate, both Cal and UCLA could have accepted 5k additional California students!

The 18% is for enrolled not admitted. Look at the # of enrolled Freshman for 2022.

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“Capacity” is largely determined by budget.

The additional tuition paid by OOS and International students helps to pay for our in-state students’ education. This extra money increases, rather than decreases, UC’s capacity for in-state students.

Decreasing the number of OOS/international students doesn’t automatically increase the capacity available for in-state students. If you reduce the number of students paying OOS tuition, in order to educate more in-state students, the UCs must receive additional funding from somewhere else, such as the state.

That’s why the state budget must add additional funds in order to cap OOS enrollment and add more in-state students.

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The focus should be on “admitted” students. Let the students have the choice!

There are too many Californians for that. I think California high schools are graduating half a million students every year? UCLA and Cal couldn’t auto admit 6% of that like Austin does.

Does anyone know how many students receive ELC designation every year?

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Under your analysis and assuming that the yield for in-state students held consistent, the freshman classes UCLA and UCB would be over-enrolled by thousands of students.

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Governor Newsom is supportive. Californian’s pay lot of taxes.

Governor Newsom would be more than happy to provide additional funding as needed but he should also create laws so UC’s understand their fiduciary responsibility to the citizens of this state.

That sounds about right. If I’m reading this dashboard correctly, it looks like 512,524 students graduated from CA high schools in 2022: California School Dashboard (CA Dept of Education)

6% of that would be over 30K students…

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For 2022-23, California high schools graduated 431k students while Texas high schools graduated 361k students (a large number too).

Now California has 9 UC campuses, including several with top rankings, while Texas only has UT Austin, Texas A&M, Dallas.

So, if Texas law can offer automatic admission to UT Austin (flagship university of TX) to top 6% freshman applicants from TX high schools, Cal, UCLA and UCSD together should easily be able to offer automatic admission to 6% freshman applicants from CA high schools.

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For 2022-23, California high schools graduated 431k students while Texas high schools graduated 361k students (a large number too).

Now California has 9 UC campuses, including several with top rankings, while Texas only has UT Austin, Texas A&M, Dallas.

So, if Texas law can offer automatic admission to UT Austin (flagship university of TX) to top 6% freshman applicants from TX high schools, Cal, UCLA and UCSD together should easily be able to offer automatic admission to 6% freshman applicants from CA high schools.

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I think that 431k is only public schools.

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The private vs public students ratio will be similar for both California and Texas, and hence the following question is still valid.

if Texas law can offer automatic admission to UT Austin (flagship university of TX) to top 6% freshman applicants from TX high schools, Cal, UCLA and UCSD together should easily be able to offer automatic admission to 6% freshman applicants from CA high schools.

The UC’s automatically admit the top 9% of students from every high school in the state, provided the students meet the prerequisites.

https://admission.universityofcalifornia.edu/admission-requirements/freshman-requirements/california-residents/local-guarantee-elc.html

The UCs also automatically admit the top 9% of students statewide.

https://admission.universityofcalifornia.edu/admission-requirements/freshman-requirements/california-residents/statewide-guarantee/

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We are talking about each UC individually. Don’t the top performing students deserve to be auto-admitted to top UC’s (vs Merced)? UT system does not do that distinction - it allows fair chance for top 6% applicants to their top university, i.e. UT-Austin.

if Texas law can offer automatic admission to UT Austin (flagship university of TX) to top 6% freshman applicants from TX high schools, Cal, UCLA and UCSD together should easily be able to offer automatic admission to 6% freshman applicants from CA high schools.

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I thought the UCs have 220,000+ UG population?

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Did you know many colleges outside of California serve large numbers of California residents? For example, almost 10% of students at CU Boulder are from California, and almost 50% of their students are non-residents.

https://www.colorado.edu/oda/sites/default/files/attached-files/overallprofilefall22.pdf#:~:text=Excludes%20those%20who%20identify%20as%20white%20or%20international%2C%20or%20are%20unknown.&text=1.%20California%209.8%25%202.,states%20and%20foreign%20countries%20represented.

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