<p>^Villanova-Maria Bello golden globe nominated actress
Villanova-john drosdick former ceo of sunoco who earned $35 million dollars in 2005.
Villanova-John Hennessy Stanford president-one of the highest paid college presidents ever</p>
<p>villanova has bigger time alums…HC has a supreme court justice and Obama’s speech writer. That is basically it. HC wins in endowment and fulbrights but loses in merit scholars and famous alums.</p>
<p>Holy Cross has a Nobel Laureate in Medicine, Villanova does not.</p>
<p>An indicator of customer sat is the alumni giving rate:</p>
<p>Villanova’s giving rate is 18%
[Alumni</a> Giving Statistics | Villanova University](<a href=“http://www1.villanova.edu/villanova/advancement/alumni/events/reunion/giftstatistics.html]Alumni”>http://www1.villanova.edu/villanova/advancement/alumni/events/reunion/giftstatistics.html)</p>
<p>Holy Cross’ giving rate is well over 50%
[Holy</a> Alliance | Inside Higher Ed](<a href=“http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2009/11/12/cross]Holy”>http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2009/11/12/cross)</p>
<p>Which school do you think is more conservative? HC or VU? Thanks.</p>
<p>^Conservative politically or religiously…?</p>
<p>religiously Villanova is probably more conservative. HC is run by the Jesuits who are typically considered very liberal in the Catholic church. VU is run by the Augustinians who are more conservative. They are somewhat similar to the order which runs Notre Dame except not as conservative, but still more so than HC.</p>
<p>Politically both schools draw a lot of students from the northeast which is heavily blue, as in democratic. I would imagine both are around 60-65% liberal and 40-35% conservative in terms of political affiliation. Considering both are catholic, many students are politically liberal on about everything except abortion. Holy cross is probably more open to gay marriage than VU. Most of this is just information I have garnered having spent a lot of time talking and living with students from both campuses.</p>
<p>With three current members of the U.S. House of Representatives and one U.S. Senator among its graduates, the College of the Holy Cross has one of the highest ratios of Congress members to student enrollment, according to Roll Call, the newspaper of Capitol Hill.</p>
<p>[Holy</a> Cross Tops U.S. Colleges With Percent of Alumni in Congress | College of the Holy Cross](<a href=“http://news.holycross.edu/blog/2011/10/04/hc-tops-u-s-colleges-with-of-alumni-in-congress/]Holy”>Newsroom | Holy Cross Tops U.S. Colleges With Percent of Alumni in Congress)</p>
<p>Thanks required_details, there’s a good reason to avoid HC.</p>
<p>Many Jesuit schools do well sending on their own to high levels of public office. Georgetown can list quite a few, but perhaps Bill Clinton may be one they don’t talk about much these days.</p>
<p>As for Fordham, Geraldine Ferraro, the first female Vice Presidential candidate of a major political party in the United States attended, as did three current members of the United States House of Representatives and numerous past members of Congress, including at least two United States Senators. Current New York State Governor, Andrew Cuomo, is also an alum. Then there was William J. Casey, U.S. Director of Central Intelligence and John Brennan, current Dep., National Security Advisor, to name a few.</p>
<p>Comparing acceptance rates, as was done above, is misleading at best. About six years ago, HC went to an SAT-optional policy, which caused an increase of many thousands of applicants with poor SAT scores. In one year, the HC acceptance rate fell from 48% to 34% - solely because of this new policy. If you wanted to compare HC to any school which requires the SAT, you would have to adjust the HC acceptance rate to something higher than 45%.</p>
<p>I don’t know if USNews, Princeton Review, etc adjust for this, but they should. Otherwise it allows schools to game the system in a big way.</p>
<p>Villanova Magazine notes that Alumni Giving Rate was 23% for the Annual Fund last year. <a href=“https://twitter.com/VUAACharlotte[/url]”>https://twitter.com/VUAACharlotte</a></p>
<p>Holy Cross’ alumni giving rate was 51.1% last year </p>
<p>[10</a> Colleges With the Most Alumni Donors - US News and World Report](<a href=“http://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/the-short-list-college/articles/2012/12/18/10-colleges-with-the-most-alumni-donors]10”>http://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/the-short-list-college/articles/2012/12/18/10-colleges-with-the-most-alumni-donors)</p>
<p>More facts:</p>
<p>Chris Matthews is a Holy Cross alum.</p>
<p>Villanova has Greek organizations, HC does not.</p>
<p>Nova has some form of parietals, HC has none.</p>
<p>@alex06904 The SAT hasn’t been shown to correlate with intellect or college performance. Plenty of schools don’t require the SAT, for example when applying to NYU you can send AP scores instead of the SAT. If you don’t send SATs to HC you need the grades, rigorous course load, and AP scores to prove you should be accepted. You may have a point, but I don’t feel the quality of student is compromised because of the optional SAT.</p>
<p>alex06904, I was wondering where you got your data for poor SAT scores for HC? The common data set does not give this data, it just gives the range of kids who submit. Students with poor SATs would not submit them in the first place. That is why the have test optional schools. Not every student is left brained and aces SATs. HC does look at the whole student to determine if they are a good fit. Does that mean that Bowdoin’s acceptance rate is really 28% because it is test optional? I don’t understand your point. Bates would be 38% and so on, what is your formula just add 12% to a test optional school. Another interesting point is HC has not taken a student off the waitlist in several years. Check the stats for other selective schools you would be surprised how many are offered spots off the waitlist. I think all the schools mentioned in this thread are excellent schools but they are all very different in size and offerings…Visit them all and decide…</p>
<p>Students that go to Holy Cross are those just below the standards of the most selective schools, or those that simply don’t want to. I don’t think Villanova compares to Holy Cross. Providence is a much better peer to Villanova. Holy Cross should be compared to schools like Colgate, Hamilton and Washington & Lee.</p>
<p>AgilityAce,</p>
<p>Rather simplistic, don’t you think?</p>
<p>Show us the stats and anecdotals from the schools’ admissions staff.</p>
<p>Colgate is located in the middle of nowhere and except for hockey has no school spirit. HC has higher alumni giving rate than Colgate. HC alums are on the Supreme Court, US Senate and Nobel Prizw winners -none of which applies to Colgate.</p>
<p>Par72,</p>
<p>I am surprised at you! And don’t you work for HC Admissions? Maybe not, after this post. In any case, I would expect better.</p>
<p>And cherry picking this and that as the basis of your assertions…</p>
<p>Firstly, Colgate is in rural central NY state, in what Forbes called one of the friendliest 12 small towns in America, 2012. Middle of nowhere? How trite. We are 25 minutes from Hamilton College, 50 minutes from Utica, an hour from Syracuse, 70 minutes from Cooperstown and 1hour 40 minutes from Cornell/Ithaca. It’s a setting that obviously has a great appeal, judging by those self-selected and lucky enough to attend what Princeton Review ranked last week as the most beautiful campus in the country. No, I won’t comment negatively on Worcester, Mass.</p>
<p>About school spirit, well, you may be an expert. On quality, quantity and what it’s all about. Same about distinguished alumni and giving rates. Or are you?</p>
<p>You might want to deliver up your information sources. That would be useful. But for now remember that Colgate executed a $480 million capital campaign 2 years ago, the second largest ever among LACs. And I think you will find our endowment far larger, financial aid more generous, application pool larger, acceptance rates lower and yield higher than that of HC.</p>
<p>And please don’t sniff at our alumni body unless you really have a point to make, one that has some significance.
Colgate alumni are a proud bunch and are likewise proud of our achievements.</p>
<p>Go 'gate!</p>
<p>PS- Par72, I just checked those alumni giving rates. HC 51%, Colgate 50%, by last/recent measures. Not such a big deal, after all. I will see what I can do about it to make it interesting.</p>
<p>Go 'gate!</p>
<p>HC’s sports tradition is perhaps the best of any top 25 LAC. Holy Cross has won the NCAA BASKETBALL title in 1947, NIT BASKETBAlLL 1954or 1955, NCAA BASEBALL title in the early 50’S, Orange Bowl appearance 1940’s, countless trips to NCAA basebal. IN addition Holy Cross has a proud tradition in track and field, golf, and Hockey. HC has one of the largest football stadiums(25,000) for a selective lac.With a new athletic director, HC has renewed its storied rivalry with Boston College and has future games with Syracuse and UConn. Great ATHLETIC TRADITION that also includes the oldest non-Ivy rivalry with Harvard, and Dartmouth.</p>
<p>Yep all good points about Holy Cross. It has been a highly respected and highly selective school for a very long time unlike Villanova, so it needs to be compared to NESCAC schools and schools like Colgate, Bucknell, Wash & Lee, etc. Being close to Villanova I know it has a good reputation but not anywhere Holy Cross. Villanova gets a lot of applications because of its upscale location and close proximity to wealthy suburbs in New Jersey so its acceptance rates are skewed. Villanova is a money culture school.</p>
<p>I believe that what Villanova and HC have in common in the area of intercollegiate athletics is an effort to excel in men’s basketball. That’s apparently what rallies the faithful.</p>
<p>But while Villanova is in a different athletic conference, and so no concern of mine at all, what I would wish for HC- its alumni and above all its students- is some equity across its intercollegiate sports programs. Within the Patriot League, where Colgate is traditionally a middling performer for the Presidents’ Cup, HC is perennially at the bottom of the league with Lafayette. Surely that is not good for those HC teams other than HC men’s basketball.</p>
<p>(It might as well be noted that Colgate excels in ECAC D1 ice hockey with the Ivies, St Lawrence, Clarkson, RPI and Union with the men’s team second in the ECSC after Union this past year. HC is in another conference with Army, I believe.)</p>
<p>Another topic for the sports-minded fans interested in the Patriot League is what Boston Univ and Loyola of Maryland are doing in the league. In terms of academic standards and other factors they are outliers.</p>
<p>Go 'gate!</p>