Vocal Performance and Music Education Schools

<p>It wouldn’t be hard to get to a number of the schools on your list to visit and take sample lessons. What are your grades like? I say that because schools like CSU Long Beach and USC offer great merit scholarships for academics. USC’s merit music scholarships tend to be small, but they do offer financial aid, though often with significant loans. A NMF could get a full ride at Long Beach. Chapman offers good scholarships and aid, too. SF Conservatory is hit or miss - it’s impossible to know which it will be until after you apply. It’s well known for voice, though. You need to add UCLA to your list. They have a strong vocal performance program. You might look into the program at Irvine, too - although it might be more musical theater focused.</p>

<p>You have Columbia on your initial list - does that mean you’re a top academic student? Columbia is not known as a place to study operatic singing, however. You should look at some of the other CSU’s - Northridge and another in Southern California (I don’t remember which - which is known for vocal music, I think. Cal State Fullerton. Cal State LA.) I’m no expert in vocal performance programs - only know what I’ve read on this forum. Eventually some of the experts on this site are sure to weigh in.</p>

<p>SpiritManager-- I’m good with academics. I have straight As (all of high school), and have always had a GPA of 4.17 or higher. I got a 2120 on my last SAT (2160 if we use my best scores from each section). Im really hoping for academic scholarships</p>

<p>I know very little about Columbia. If its not vocally inclined then I’ll take it off of the list.</p>

<p>Have you read RKOpera’s link on vocal performance studies, and also the Peabody link I posted regarding ways to study music in general? I think you need to start there, with more general questions rather than starting off with specific schools. Please please read them and show your parents too.</p>

<p>I honestly think you might want to focus on what you want to do as an undergrad without regard to what you want to do as a career or for grad school- as yet (and, if it is your passion, just focus on VP). Your indecision is coming from a focus on the future rather than the present, and undergrad studies may be one of the last times in your life you can focus on the present, explore and grow w/out external pressures of adulthood</p>

<p>Your academic talents are also impressive. But do you have an interest in learning about art and history and literature and biology along with VP? That is a really key question.</p>

<p>If you read RKOpera’s link, you will see that students going to Carnegie Mellon, Vassar, Williams and other schools ended up doing well in opera, in addition to those at Juilliard. (Vassar apparently has an opera company.)</p>

<p>You would do 2/3-3/4 of your studies in music at a conservatory or music school/BM. This would include theory, music history, languages, and other subjects along with lessons and performance. At a college or university BA program, as a music major, you would do 1/4-1/3 music classes, and might have distribution requirements as well as electives. You can also major in something else entirely and take lessons privately, perform as an extracurricular. Do you like theory and other aspects of a music major? Finally, you can double major, but that does take some stamina!</p>

<p>You can apply for all of these options and decide at the end of senior year.</p>

<p>Is your voice teacher offering any advice?</p>

<p>With your academic stats and vocal experience, you can think about some very top colleges, including Ivy League. Yale, Princeton, Harvard (has a double degree program with NEC and I personally know an opera student doing that), Columbia (across the street from Manhattan School of Music and affiliated with Juilliard-no need to take it off the list I think).</p>

<p>Or elective liberal arts colleges. Look at this:
<a href=“Music Department Courses and Requirements | Pomona College in Claremont, California - Pomona College”>http://www.pomona.edu/academics/departments/music/courses-requirements/&lt;/a&gt;
<a href=“Performance Courses | Pomona College in Claremont, California - Pomona College”>http://www.pomona.edu/academics/departments/music/courses-requirements/perfomance-courses.aspx&lt;/a&gt;
Pomona has a Repertory Opera Company. What could be better?
Vassar, Skidmore, Tufts (Tufts also has a double degree program with NEC), Barnard (next to Manhattan, classes at Columbia), Williams.</p>

<p>Or conservatories at selective universities/colleges. Oberlin, Lawrence, Bard, Michigan, Indiana, Eastman, Carnegie Mellon. Or conservatories that are freestanding. Juilliard, NEC, Peabody, SF Conservatory, BoCo, etc.
For California, look at sites like this: <a href=“The Best Music Colleges in California - Synonym”>http://classroom.synonym.com/music-colleges-california-2496.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>You need to decide in general what you want- but can delay that, as I said, and apply to several options. Don’t overload yourself with too many schools though. Decide on location, size and vibe that you want. And how you want to study music. For VP, you have lots of time. Talk to your teacher and try to contact others who have studied voice in the past perhaps.</p>

<p>Finally, improve your research skills :slight_smile: Take each school that is suggested and find info similar to what I posted about Pomona. Look at teachers, classes, requirements, scholarships, performance opportunities, academics. Whittle your list down.</p>

<p>There are many paths so have confidence that things will work out. Anxiety can create confusion. Please reach high with your talents, both musical and academic.</p>

<p>Hate to add another school to your list, but with your stats, you would probably get an academic scholarship fo $19,000-$21,000 from Westminster Choir College (in Princeton, NJ). My S also got an extra $2000 travel grant because we live so far away. So, that brings the cost down to about $25,000 per year. And there are extra competitive scholarships for additional years. WCC is full of voice performance/music ed double majors. </p>

<p>On the West Coast, my S liked USC, Univ of the Pacific and Univ of Puget Sound. </p>

<p>There are lots of great voice programs out there. You just need to really research, talk to your private teacher, take some sample lessons. </p>

<p>For perspective, I know a young woman who just graduated form Westminster Choir College and is now going to do a master’s in medieval and Renaissance history in Scotland. She still intends to pursue an opera career but loves the historical background. There are many ways to go, and plenty of time.</p>

<p>Megpmom has great suggestions. Google the music departments for USC, U. of the Pacific and U. or Puget Sound plus UC’s and CSU’s/</p>

<p>Here is info from another school Mils, in CA:
<a href=“http://www.mills.edu/academics/undergraduate/mus/”>http://www.mills.edu/academics/undergraduate/mus/&lt;/a&gt;
<a href=“http://www.mills.edu/academics/undergraduate/mus/dept_courses_list.php”>http://www.mills.edu/academics/undergraduate/mus/dept_courses_list.php&lt;/a&gt;
Mills has a stellar reputation, to my knowledge, mainly for contemporary work. But check it out.</p>

<p>and Lewis and Clark:
<a href=“Music - Lewis & Clark”>http://college.lclark.edu/departments/music/&lt;/a&gt; (opera workshop, performance classes, faculty from Portland Opera)</p>

<p>Thank you for your input, everyone. I’ve removed Manhattan School of Music in New York, NY and The New School for Music - NYC from the list, as I think that they would be better for graduate work than for undergrad. Juilliard only staying on the list as a sort of shoot for the moon thing, just to see if I can get in. I’ve added Indiana, NEC, Michigan, OCU, St Olaf, Westminster Choir, Puget Sound, and U of Washington. There are many schools that people suggested that I haven’t added just because I haven’t had a chance to look at them at all.</p>

<p>I’m not entirely sure that I want a conservatory, but I’m thinking that I’ll be applying to about 3 conservatories, 3 universities, and 3 liberal arts colleges (although I may end up applying to more than that). I’m not yet sure which ones those will be, though.</p>

<p>With your stats, you would get a full tuition scholarship at Temple’s Boyer School of Music. This is where my D is headed (tomorrow!) to study Music Ed. You would also get a $4000 stipend each summer for enrichment - it is an amazing deal.</p>

<p>For vocal performance you will need to apply to more than 3 conservatories as the number of admitted students is very small and the admitted students are split between different voice types… so for a class of 20 the school would be looking for 5 soprano, 5 mezzo, 5 tenor and 5 bass students. The numbers of students auditioning for those slots can be in the hundreds and not just in the U.S as you are competing with students worldwide. Look carefully at websites as many require pre-screening to advance to an audition. </p>

<p>Music Education is entirely different curriculum and in some schools is a 5 year program including 2 student teaching experiences. Frequently the coursework in theory, ear training, music history and electives are the same. You also need performance such as chorus or orchestra. My d studied voice and her program as do many required a year of piano or demonstated piano proficiency. Music ed programs might also want multiple instruments for better placement in K-12 schools.</p>

<p>Your numbers are off a bit bookmama22, as even choirs aren’t evenly divided!
The make-up of VP/Opera departments lean heavily toward sopranos- partly because there are so many more girls in the field and those voice types run the gamut from soubrette to light lyrics, full lyrics to spintos and dramatic sopranos. There are more roles for them than the other voice types. There are several types of mezzos too, but one isn’t apt to find young singers capable of the heavier dramatic roles such as Azucena or Amneris. The male voices mature even more slowly and there can even be changes of fach for them in grad school as men can and do make the move from baritone to tenor. Younger tenors are not yet ready for the differentiations that run from leggero to dramatic and heldentenor ( just as Wagnerian sopranos won’t be heard from in their roles until they are in their mid-30s). Then the lower male voices split into baritones, bass-baritones and basses.
Reality shows that there will be far fewer guys auditioning for schools,so expect the largest component to be females with higher voices with the rest of the class to be comprised of maybe a couple of mezzos ( some schools will fill the heavier mezzo roles with bigger voiced sopranos), tenors and baritones. Basses are rare at this level and start to emerge at the levels beyond graduate school.</p>