Wall Street Journal Feeder Ranking

College Search & Selection
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Shouldn't there be other seemingly nonelite universities/LACs otherwise comparable to Morehouse, in this ranking?

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<p>Should there be? Do statistics reallytell about the kind of students that attend that school? First, I wouldn't expect a school like Howard or Hampton to be up there. Because the list in done in proportion, a large HBCU will have a smaller success rate. Where Howard's focus is scattered academically, over 1/3 of Morehouse students major in business and commerce, so to find 8 students going for a M.B.A. as opposed to 30 students from Howard (not gonna happen) does not suprise me. Note for a school of Howard's size to make the list it would be competing with the likes of Emory.</p>

<p>6 of those 14 Morehouse students went to med school, Morehouse is strongest in medicine of all the HBCUs, followed by Xavier, not Howard.</p>

<p>Morehouse and Spelman are the best HBCU's by any definition. People who cling to Howard are basing it on their rep from 20 years ago. Check out the graduation rates of the students at each of these schools. Check out financial aid on a per student basis. Check out law and medical school admissions and you will see that Spelman and Morehouse stand in a class of their own amongst HBCU's.</p>

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<p>"Should there be? Do statistics reallytell about the kind of students that attend that school? "
I love your double standard. You question the merit of statistics, then go on in the third paragraph and demand that I compare Morehouse and Spelman to the other HBCUs.</p>

<p>Comparing HBCUs amongst each other enables you to applaud some and chide others, whereas if you compared them to the elite schools, you would hardly be applauding any of them.
Looking solely at graduation rates, Spelman is the only school with what I would consider a decent one, at 77%. Morehouse is at 65%.
I mentioned Howard because I thought it's students were more able, based on the SAT scores.</p>

<p>Look at Babson. It's concentrated almost exclusively on business, and its student body is more able, judging by statistics, than Morehouse's student body. I do not see Babson anywhere in the feeder rankings.</p>

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<p>Is the USnews ranking more accurate than the Wallstreet Journal ranking?</p>

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<p>Babson specializes in entrepreneurship, and most students go straight out of college in continuation of the projects and school-paid loan they started senior year.</p>

<p>Also, based on graduation rates, if 65% means the school isn't decent well then what does that say for school in 65-70% range (note most second tier university (51-100 USNews are in this range):</p>

<p>Georgia Tech
Purdue
University of Washington
University of Maryland-College Park
UMassAmherst (64%)
Northeastern (60%)
American University
Clark University (MA)
Bard
Pitzer
Lewis & Clark</p>

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<p>Quit twisting my words. I said the rate, not the school, was not decent.</p>

<p>All you've demonstrated is that some schools, second rate private schools, and decent public schools, have a graduation rate similar to Morehouse. It is harder for the public schools to compete, because of their large enrollment and other issues. Yes, the graduation rate is mediocre in those schools and Morehouse.</p>

<p>As an aside, Georgia Tech and to a lesser extent Purdue and maybe some of the others on that list have a low graduation rate because of the difficulty of the engineering major. Harvey Mudd, a stellar school with a focus on sciences and engineering (its students are nearly MIT quality), has an 84% graduation rate. CMU has a similar rate, at 85%. The differential between the predicted and actual graduation rates is in the negative double digits for these schools.</p>

<p>Look, the whole WSJ ranking is uninnovative and does not tell you anything you couldn't find out already. It's just Smart Student Body + Aspirations for Professional Graduate school (meaning only med, law, and business school) = High WSJ Feeder ranking. Schools get a boost if their professional school is deemed 'elite.'</p>

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<p>just noting, Harvey Mudd's quite a bit easier to get in then MIT, but it seems to be just as tough (just judging from the kids I know who got in and how hard there courseloads are first semester)</p>

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<p>I guess that depends on how you define "quite a bit easier," but i'll just shrug. <em>shrugs</em></p>

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<p>I dunno. I got into HMC, as did two other fellows from my school. I don't we could have gotten into MIT lol. I will also shrug.</p>

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<p>does anyone have a continuation of this ranking? Numbers 51-100 (if this even exists)</p>

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<p>Asher,</p>

<p>Let me give you a crash course on statistics. They're total bullsht. Saying that, Morehouse College has been, is, and will be the premier institution for African-American men. </p>

<p>The students that go to these grad schools, for the most part, have always been the creme de la creme. They could easily and have gotten accepted to top schools, ivy leagues...probably even HMC (I dont know why the hell they would do something like that over morehouse but to each his own...). Point being is that like myself, they chose to matriculate at Morehouse because of the other things that a Morehouse education can bring that no other school in the country will bring.</p>

<p>Saying that, to address the AA discussion. You would be stupid (and it seems like you are) to think that Morehouse is ranked on this list because of the need to fill spots. I graduated from Morehouse in May; BS in Physics and Math and I chose to continue my education at Rice. In my graduating class alone, I know people going to Harvard, Yale, Carnegie Mellon, Berkeley, MIT, Stanford, NYU, Columbia, GA Tech, Univ of Miami, ... I could really go on all day. The point is mr. mudd I doubt that you could say the same especially being that we only graduate 500 at most a year. And I for one know that when you go into the graduate programs that we are accepted into, the competition is worldwide. And Morehouse because of the type of individual that we mold, we will always rise to the top.</p>

<p>Now here's a challenge...I implore you to look at Congress, look in any board room, wall street, hospital, court room, government lab, ...anywhere that you could think of...and I guarantee that the black man sitting at the table is a Morehosue Man.</p>

<p>So please asher, pick up a book, or go to a porn site, do something better in your life than to whine about something that messaging on a board can't solve...the world is a horrible place, and hating on Morehouse will just make it worse...</p>

<p>Have a nice day. God bless you all. God Bless America.</p>

<p>Drew</p>

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<p>drew - your response is indignant, completely erroneous, and entirely biased. </p>

<p>"The students that go to these grad schools, for the most part, have always been the creme de la creme. They could easily and have gotten accepted to top schools, ivy leagues...probably even HMC"</p>

<p>How many people are we talking about here? What is your sample size? Lets post some stats about Morehouse...</p>

<p>SAT Verbal: 470-580
SAT Math: 470-590</p>

<p>20% top 10% in HS class</p>

<p>67% Acceptance Rate</p>

<p>Avg GPA: 3.24</p>

<p>These stats are basically the same as any lower level state school in the US. You are telling me that Morehouse differs from University of Idaho? Dont you think plenty of intelligent, driven students end up at Idaho for one reason or another. There are countless reasons that explain why top students attend mediocre colleges...this does not attest to the quality of those institutions. You seem to be very touchy on the subject of Morehouse and AA. Frankly, the top students (meaning top 10%) at Morehouse wouldnt have gotten into any ivy without AA. The same holds true for grad school. I dont understand why you are listing all of the grad schools your peers were accepted into...this proves no point due to the existence of AA...in fact, it demonstrates the awesome presence of AA. The bottom line is that Morehouse is only on this list because of AA, simple as that. However, you believe "They're (statistics) total bullsht" so you might have some trouble with my reasoning. And btw, im sure Harvey Mudd boasts grad school figures that would blow Morehouse out of the water...</p>

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<p>AA or not...in 5 years you'll be calling my friends and me Doctor...and that's life...</p>

<p>like I said before there's more important stuff going on in the world...
Morehouse belongs where it is on the list...stop crying...and try to focus your energy on love not hate.</p>

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<p>Noone is crying about anything. When someone sees a grad placement ranking and a school like Morehouse is sandwiched between CalTech and Michigan, it is somewhat of a surprise. We are having a pleasant discussion about Morehouse and the WSJ ranking and you have derailed the conversation with your denounciation of statistics and anything within the boundaries of logic. You are overtly defensive about this topic which suggests you are possible insecure about Morehouse and AA. Frankly, Morehouse is a good school. Moreover, I commend you for your efforts and congrats on Rice. Im merely attempting to explain WHY Morehouse is in the ranking position that it sits at. I know you believe "Morehouse belongs there, thats life, and thats final" but WLJ did use a methodology that is completely based on statistics...thus revealing the importance of statistics in this matter. Anyhow, this is pointless</p>

<p>Does anyone have the continuation of this ranking if it even exists? Numbers 51-100?</p>

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<p>drew, without AA, u would be working at a 9-5 fast food chain, i have black friends who are way more hard working than you are, and they deserve to do well in life, unlike u.</p>

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Drew, without AA, u would be working at a 9-5 fast food chain

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LOL, Didn't he say he went to Morehouse? :p</p>

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<p>I really dont see whats so amazign about Morehouse. yeah thats great that your peers got into so many great schools but you can pretty much go to any school and the top of the class will be go to these prestigious universities also. get over yourself. seriously drew you talk as if Morehouse is some amazing place that only has the best of the best but in truth, it really doesnt. </p>

<p>"AA or not...in 5 years you'll be calling my friends and me Doctor...and that's life..."</p>

<p>are you kidding?? please stop with your elitist attitude because someone coming from morehouse isnt entitled one. sorry to tell you but affirmative action can only go so far. it definently wont cover up that attitude of yours</p>

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<p>Drewblue,</p>

<p>The reason you are being responded to with so much tension is because of the overly confident somewhat pompous attitude you are exhibiting. Morehouse is a good school just like many others universities and HBCU's. The difference is most other (I can speak for HBCU's) tend to have many of the same success stories but have learned to be humble at the same time.
From my experience many Morehouse students are able to go on and on about how they are the best HBCU and are going to do so much and it puts many people off because although you are used to people at your institution constantly telling you that you will be the next Martin Luther or better, they forget to remind you that you are a human being. I think it is great to be confident but unfortunately Morehouse in it's attempts to make a confident black man, makes a bombastic, overly confident facsimile of what they were trying to produce.</p>

<p>In some ways I feel like hey, I'd rather you be confident than someone who believes they're not worth anything. However, many get to the point where they are so caught up in what Morehouse tell them that you can't even talk to them. The elitist attitude is ubiquitous at Morehouse, I'm sure befor you came to Morehouse you did not have that attitude.
What you type is an example of a typical Morehouse attitude,


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<p>This is just rediculous, you should really give other black men credit that don't go to Morehouse....not every successful man in the world is a product of Morehouse. I think it is horrible that you have this impression. You don't see people from Harvard, Yale, or Princeton with such a position (hint: they don't need to)
From now on just try being humble and trust me you will be faced with much less hostility.
All things aside, no harm intended just a little info. that I think will be helpful in the world.
Congrats on graduating and have a blast at Rice!</p>

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<p>Hello All:</p>

<p>I must say my friends and I have been very interested in the discussion this forum has had, and I finally decided that my opinion was worth sharing. I am one of a number of students at Morehouse with a high G.P.A and my experience at Morehouse has led me to believe that top professional schools like the ones listed in the WSJ ranking must be in my future. To understand why I, and a group of about 60 other students in my class, have this feeling takes time, but I will try to sum it up as best as humanly possible. We at Morehouse are not blind to the benefits and detriments of Affirmative Action, but we understand that something significantly different occurs at our small school in Georgia, and that that something has led to tremendously positive results.</p>

<p>Everyone must understand the dual mission of Morehouse College. This will explain most of the statistical issues everyone seems to have focused on. Morehouse was founded in 1867 to teach former male slaves how to teach and read. Two years prior, it had been illegal for any of them to read or write. Morehouse, founded as the Augusta Baptist Seminary, was originally meant to lift people up, to take those that were denied access by the powers that be, and mold them into successful men. This policy continues today, and means that Morehouse accepts a large group of students (30 to 40 percent) that statistically measure up. These people do well at morehouse, but they usually do not reach WSJ feeder school potential. Those that do are connected with the second mission of Morehouse - to attract the most talented African American males in the country. When i applied to schools in high school (with a 3.9 and a SAT in the high 1400's) i was accepted to three ivy league schools, among other prestigious institutions. I chose Morehouse. When I arrived, I found that there were approximately 100 students like me. The talent at the top ten percent of our school is simply spectatular. In my freshman year, i lived in a triple---one of my roommates had turned down Berkeley while the other said no thanks to Stanford and Princeton. These students are the core that end up at the WSJ institutions. They are helped, because the faculty at Morehouse understands the potential they have and foster it as well as humanly possible.</p>

<p>One of the downsides to Morehouse, as seen in this forum, is that Morehouse does such a great job convincing its students that they are spectacular that many of my peers have the elitist, obtuse attitude displayed here. I don't like it, and i don't believe i subscribe to it, but after 18 years of seeing black men portrayed as anti-intellectual (movies, tv, etc.) I found the confidence of the Morehouse man refreshing.</p>

<p>One last note: I recall a discussion (perhaps it was on this forum) exchanging ideas about the meaning of qualified. I believe qualified, as it related to college admissions, simply means "ability to do the work asked of you". The Morehouse Men that recieve admittance to these graduate schools have proved time and again that they are able to do the work required, and do it well. Like drewblue said, the numbers of successful men of morehouse speaks for itself, and affirmative action (based on race, color, ability, or status) can only get you so far. I look forward to this discussion continuing!</p>

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<p>Not to pick a scab or anything or to try to bring a dead topic back to life, but in the WSJ document, one of the first things in the documents refers to checking the "Behind the Rankings" for an accurate representation of the results. Does anyone have the "Behind the Rankings" section available?</p>

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<p>Doesn't the feeder ranking depend on the field? I heard the top feeder for medical schools is Xavier College (Univ?) in Louisiana.....because their mission is pre-med education for minority students. "harvard shmarvard"</p>