<p>This doesn't look good... I think the U.S. will go to war with Iran and North Korea before Bush is out in '08. Ban me if you want to admin.</p>
<p>As usual, no-one wants to do anything about this until it is too late. But here's the good news: we'll all be dead in less than 100 years and we won't care. Here's the other good news: I just saved a bunch of money on car insurance by switching to Geico.</p>
<p>we'll be dead in a 100 years? ha?
a lot is being done, war isn't the only way out of it. If you really want to know, the EU is actually the one dilling with Iran at the momnet, naturally the US stays out for now since the US is up over the head in Iraq, other than that, Iran misslies will reach Paris before they'll reach DC so obviously the EU has a strong interest on preventing Iran from reaching nuclear abilities. another side in this plot is Israel, obviously isn't happy from Iran gaining nuclear abilities - we all remmber what happened in Iraq in 91'. I hope war will be avoided, but if one will have to take place, I hope the US won't be the only one taking the burden, the whole world should contribute to the effort of preventing such great force from an evil nation (leadership that is) like Iran.</p>
<p>Bush totally messed up with Iraq and Afghanistan. Both wars were unjustified, both were illegal. Now we will pay the price of having many nations in the middle east allied against US. And Bush's dad messed up in '91. In the first Gulf War, the U.S. murdered thousands of innocent Iraqi soldiers who were ordered by Saddam to invade Kuwait. Now we go into Iraq again and kill tens of thousands of innocent civilians, and we wonder why the population is allied against US??? Imagine the terrorist attacks of 9/11 happening 8 times. That is how many innocent Iraqis the U.S. soldiers killed, who happen to be commanded by George Bush.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.iraqbodycount.org%5B/url%5D">www.iraqbodycount.org</a></p>
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<p>Are you serious? Granted. war is nothing but systematic murder, but soldiers have been ordered into battle since the beginning of civilization, so don't try to assign any extra blame to Bush I for the first Gulf War.</p>
<p>Secondly, Afganistan was unjustified, are you daft? If you want to critique the handling of Afganistan point to the mismanagment of the post-war occupation and reconstruction, not the justification of it. Afganistan harbored and supported Al-Qaeda, the organizaiton responsible for the murder of 3,000 Americans. In addition, the Taliban was one of the most back-slid barbaric "governments" in recent history.</p>
<p>Finally, examine current geopolitical facts. Iran? Possible, though improbable. The level of forces needed to contain both Iraqi and Iranian are simply not availible without a massive increase in American armed forces, an increase that under current circumstances would not be possible without instituting a draft a.k.a. political suicide. North Korea? No way. China would never allow such a intrusion into its sphere of influence. Nor could the US risk a nuclear attack against South Korea, or realistically the destruction of Seoul at the hands of conventional arms.</p>
<p>Iran has an insane amount of people who are willing to be martyrs to fight for their country - the kamikaze japanese in wwii can't even compare with the number of peeps in Iran who will go crazy.</p>
<p>and Iran is the only non-arab country in the middle east. They are white. Turkey is also non-arab but I don't know much about. </p>
<p>and believe me, I guarantee you, 100%, that the United States will not or even think about attacking Iran. It is a large country and a lot of people live there who are highly cogent about their beliefs and will go to EXTREMES to do whatever it takes.</p>
<p>"But here's the good news: we'll all be dead in less than 100 years and we won't care. Here's the other good news: I just saved a bunch of money on car insurance by switching to Geico."</p>
<p>Haha. That was classic. I got a good laugh. Thanks plates.</p>
<p>I don't really get you plates. were you responding to me or just adding some more info for the thread?</p>
<p>Mostly, I was just adding more info. My guess is the EU will go to war with Iran next month or the month after. Then the US will join the EU in a war on Iran. Oil prices will soar out of control because Iran exports 4 million barrels of oil per day now.</p>
<p>EU GOES TO WAR?! NEXT MONTH?! in my opinion this is totally not realistic.</p>
<p>lol I am in complete agreement with Danc on this one. There's no way that is happening within the next few months.</p>
<p>or the next few years lol (well obviously i don't know - just an opinion lol)</p>
<p>No one will go to war with anyone. The only government brave enough (or perhaps dumb enough) to go to a major war is the United States government, which at the present moment can't even bring security to Iraq.</p>
<p>EU will not go to war with Iran in the near future. The majority of european citizens are against any type of war whatsoever, let alone a war with a government as crazy and fanatic as Iran. And believe me, eventhough the majority of iranians hate the mullahs, there are numerous brainwashed fanatic people that will do anything to protect the Islamic Republic. I lived there for 15 years I think I should know a thing or two</p>
<p>I can't agree with you more pualhomework - about europe, US goverment and Iranian goverment. Well, just out of curiousity, if you have to estimate, what's the % of "brainwashed people" Iran - that is people who truly believe in what the Iranian goverment stands for?</p>
<p>This is purely speculation on my part and I have no scientific proof for it but...</p>
<p>I believe at least 5% of Iranian people are in the "brainwashed" category. Furthermore, i think there is at least 10% of the population who in some way or another is hugely benefiting from IRI. They probably don't give a rat's ass about religion, but IRI provides them with financial benefits so they'll protect it. Still, there could as high as 10% of the population who are so nationalistic that they don't care if they are under a fanatical dictatorship of mullahs, they will fight against whatever foreign army even if they are there to free the iranians.</p>
<p>This is approximately 25% of 70 or so million Iranians. Also, mullahs have their own paramilitary organization, the revolutionary guards, which, by any measure is more equipped and more powerful than the Iranian army.</p>
<p>support the troops walk with Rummy on 9/11 but you have to register before the deadline so they can do a background check. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.asyfreedomwalk.com/%5B/url%5D">http://www.asyfreedomwalk.com/</a></p>
<p>war with iran really isn't practical at the moment.
I highly doubt we're getting our troops out of Iraq anytime soon and we simply don't have enough people joining to be able to start another war.</p>
<p>the EU will never go to war with anyone until each country gives up more power for the whole. Which won't happen any time soon.</p>
<p>eventually, the EU will THINK about going to the UN and DISCUSSING whether they should pass a resolution saying Iran is participating in illegal activity. Then Iran will tell them that they stopped, and the UN/EU will ignore it when they start again. They will continue to obviously not follow the UN resolutions, until the US is recovered from the current wars and then takes matters into its own hands again because the UN is all talk and no walk. If a war happens, it will follow the same timeline as the lead up to Iraq, and on that schedule right now it is 1991.</p>